Stylus for Grace F9

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Vadgr » 14 Jun 2019 06:30

Thanks for the comments! Some time I wait for the parcel. Then I will inform you.
But all the same, what kind of model is this 14 stylus? I did not see the color gray in the description.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by jc3 » 15 Jun 2019 02:29

All I know is that the clear F-14 stylus has an aluminum non-tapered cantilever, the orange one has a boron cantilever with MR stylus, and the yellow seems to be the equivalent of the standard F-9 stylus. Don't know about the grey one - looks like a very nice cantilever from what I can tell based on it tapering - but you'll have to do some digging. All F-9 styli should work just fine with that body, though.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by jc3 » 15 Jun 2019 04:47

This might be helpful - but will have to be put through a translator unless you can read Japanese. Info on a lot of the F-14 styli in there.

http://20cheaddatebase.web.fc2.com/need ... GRACE.html

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by stevoz » 17 Jun 2019 06:56

jc3 wrote:
15 Jun 2019 04:47
This might be helpful - but will have to be put through a translator unless you can read Japanese. Info on a lot of the F-14 styli in there.

http://20cheaddatebase.web.fc2.com/need ... GRACE.html
Here's the 'English' version!

https://translate.google.com.au/transla ... rev=search

....and yes, it is a great Grace database. :)

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by bra10n » 17 Jun 2019 23:33

The F14 stylus might fit (well perhaps can be fitted to an F9 is a more accurate statement...) but that's not to say this arrangement (1) will necessarily sound anything like this cart is capable of or was intended to, and (2) that damage to the coils won't result due to the rear of the tube being different. YMMV.

Another document here

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by jc3 » 18 Jun 2019 02:45

The F-14 stylus document from Shinagawa Musen says that the F-14 stylus is compatible with the F-9 body. The rear of the brass stylus capsule on the F-14 you sent along is exactly the same externally (appearance, dimensions, construction [solid plug in the end, no tie wire]) as the F-9 ruby in every respect.

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... 660/source

vs

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... 657/source

The brass insert ends have the same diameter (~2.2mm), and the same length with the brass plug inserted (~6.6mm). The F-14 stylus internal construction is similar to that of the F-9 ruby - the cantilever is bonded somehow into the elastomer bearing block and the magnet rides on the posterior end on a small chunk of steel or permalloy. It appears grace got away from the tie wire completely in the F-14, but I can't confirm this without dissecting every model F-14 stylus.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by bra10n » 19 Jun 2019 04:39

https://www.lpgear.com/product/GRACEF9L.html

Wow US$1200 for near enough to a 40 year old cart.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by bra10n » 19 Jun 2019 04:40

Or these, Likely Jico replacement styli;

https://snvinyl.co.uk/epages/eshop94330 ... /GRACE9-EE

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by jc3 » 19 Jun 2019 05:03

bra10n wrote:
19 Jun 2019 04:40
Or these, Likely Jico replacement styli;

https://snvinyl.co.uk/epages/eshop94330 ... /GRACE9-EE
I've seen that 1200 dollar one. But I hadn't seen the UK ones. Anyone have one of these? Sent the seller an email, so we'll see. I doubt they are Jico - Jico would have them listed on their website and 425 quid is way too much for a Jico stylus - even their exotics are less than that. I sent an email to Jico a few years back and asked if they had plans for F-9 styli - their answer was short and sweet - 'no.'

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by bra10n » 19 Jun 2019 05:35

jc3 wrote:
19 Jun 2019 05:03
...I sent an email to Jico a few years back and asked if they had plans for F-9 styli - their answer was short and sweet - 'no.'
Yet you knew at the time? that they were selling replacement Grace F9 replacement styli to the Japanese market?

That link I posted sure reads like a Jico page description. I checked their (local) store website not long ago for Grace styli and it comes up with the equivalent of 'No product found'. Can't help but think they've quit the product and bulk sold on what stock they had left. Price being asked is surely no indication... Just my impression, nothing more.

I'd be curious to see what comes of your email.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by jc3 » 19 Jun 2019 17:50

bra10n wrote:
19 Jun 2019 05:35
jc3 wrote:
19 Jun 2019 05:03
...I sent an email to Jico a few years back and asked if they had plans for F-9 styli - their answer was short and sweet - 'no.'
Yet you knew at the time? that they were selling replacement Grace F9 replacement styli to the Japanese market?
I know that GRACE (Shinagawa Musen) has issued replacement F-14 styli to Japanese customers from time to time, but the price is astounding (around $1000, IIRC), and you have to be on some sort of pre-selected list.

I have checked JICO's Japanese site pretty regularly (at least a few times a year) for the past several years, and even have a couple proxy accounts for purchasing from them because they had been selling the Pioneer stylus I had used in the past to retip my Grace styli in an SAS version in Japan but not to the rest of the world. They do now, though. Anyhow, I have never seen any mention of Grace on their Japanese site, in at least the last three or four years. Do you have some reference for this info?

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by bra10n » 19 Jun 2019 20:38

jc3 wrote:
19 Jun 2019 17:50
Do you have some reference for this info?
No, not at all. I was merely asking.

On the Grace (Shinagawa Musen) styli re-issue I find it impossible to believe the company manufactured these styli.

Any reply to your email yet?

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by jc3 » 20 Jun 2019 02:49

Nope - nothing yet. Will post the reply when/if I get one.

I forget where I saw this, but someone, somewhere said that they still have the tooling and it's the folks who used to work there in the 1970s and 80s that come in to make them occasionally. 100,000 yen each - *plus* postage! Right now, that's $929 USD. I'm not getting on that list!

Finally got my quote from Namiki. 30-45 days from now I'll have 10 aluminum cantilevers sporting nude Shibata tips. Magnets sgould be done around the same time. By the end of summer, I hope to be measuring compliance!

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by bra10n » 20 Jun 2019 03:47

jc3 wrote:
20 Jun 2019 02:49
Nope - nothing yet. Will post the reply when/if I get one.
I wouldn't hold your breath :D This is what a search shows as the listed business address.
jc3 wrote:
20 Jun 2019 02:49
I forget where I saw this, but someone, somewhere said that they still have the tooling and it's the folks who used to work there in the 1970s and 80s that come in to make them occasionally. 100,000 yen each - *plus* postage! Right now, that's $929 USD. I'm not getting on that list!
But come in where exactly... it's not likely the lights went out on manufacturing and the mould-injectors, scopes etc etc just sat there gathering dust. Nor highly unlikely the tooling/equipment was relocated for a rainy day. We are talking about Japan. Then there's the question of staff... 35 - 40 years on?
jc3 wrote:
20 Jun 2019 02:49
Finally got my quote from Namiki. 30-45 days from now I'll have 10 aluminum cantilevers sporting nude Shibata tips. Magnets sgould be done around the same time. By the end of summer, I hope to be measuring compliance!
Yes! I wish you every success. I look forward to it.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

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