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Best cartridge

Post by Steve63 » 26 May 2019 14:37

I'm looking for information on what would be a good cartridge for my setup. I have a Denon dp-300f turntable hooked up to a Marantz PM 710 DC amp. I also have the St 510 tuner and the SD 7020 cassette deck. Both of which are also Marantz. It seems that the stock phono cartridge is really missing the high notes when playing albums.the cassette deck sounds a lot better during playback. The amp has 3 phono inputs, mm1, mm2 and mc. So I should be ok with either a mm or mc cartridge. I'm wanting to hear good bass but at the same time I want to hear the slightest hit on the symbol. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by patient_ot » 26 May 2019 15:19

Budget?

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Steve63 » 26 May 2019 15:30

I would like to stay somewhere between 3-4 hundred US dollars.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Collux » 26 May 2019 17:58

In the Audio Technica 700 MM series: The VM740ML starts around US $300
https://blog.audio-technica.com/audio-s ... artridges/
https://eu.audio-technica.com/cartridge ... /vm-series

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Collux » 26 May 2019 18:20

These cartridges from LPGear get quite good reviews:
https://www.lpgear.com/category/THEVESSELC.html

AND then there is the new SUMIKO range of MMs:
https://www.sumikoaudio.net/en-us/our-b ... ter-series

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Steve63 » 26 May 2019 18:41

I am actually looking hard at the Sumiko Moonstone. I've read good reviews and the specs aren't bad for the price.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by patient_ot » 26 May 2019 18:53

Looks like the tonearm effective mass is 13.5g. That should be fairly flexible with currently available cartridges in your price range.

Of the cartridges mentioned, AT offers the highest price to performance ratio due to economies of scale.

What kind of condition are your records in? What is your record cleaning system.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Steve63 » 26 May 2019 19:01

My records are in good condition and I clean them with the record happy premium washer. It seems to do a very good job. Its basically a black spin clean that comes with a drying rack.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Sunwire » 26 May 2019 19:43

I would go with the best Audio Technica MM cartridge you can afford.

Best long term investment. They will always make compatible needles with a variety of shapes.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Steve63 » 26 May 2019 20:02

The reason I like the Sumiko moonstone is it seems to have the best frequency response at 12hz to 33khz. I just figured I would get both good bass as well as good highs. I could be wrong, I'm here because I really don't know much about the difference between cartridges.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Luicas » 26 May 2019 20:38

Hi Steve. If thinking about spending that much on a cart; honestly I’d invest in a better table.


A good table sounds better with an average $70 bucks cart than an average table with a $400 bucks cart. Hands down.

Speed stability, platter resonance, plinth resonance, tonearm tracing abilities and resonances. Let alone integrated preamp nasties. They all add up.

My $0.02

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Steve63 » 26 May 2019 20:57

I don't use the integrated pre amp, it's not needed with my amp.
I'm looking for a good vintage turntable, I just bought this one to get me bye till I can find one. I want to be able to personally inspect the vintage one before I purchase it. I've already seen too many junk ones that the seller has advertised as good or excellent for its age. Or the all too often seen normal wear for its age. I have to ask is it normal for a drunken partyer or normal for someone that takes pride in their equipment? My amp, tuner, and cassette deck are pristine both inside and out and I would like to get a vintage turntable that's at least close to the condition of the Marantz equipment.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by Collux » 26 May 2019 23:59

The alternative to a new MM cart is 'used' or 'vintage'

Well known manufacturers produced quality carts in the past:
SHURE
ADC
Stanton/Pickering
Audio Technica
Ortofon
JVC
Empire
etc.

refer
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... 19&t=73609

With the Vinyl "Revival", new styli are now more readily available for many older carts.

For US $300-400 - good options can be put together with a quality cart and a modern SAS/ML/Vivid Line stylus.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by patient_ot » 27 May 2019 00:18

Steve63 wrote:
26 May 2019 20:02
The reason I like the Sumiko moonstone is it seems to have the best frequency response at 12hz to 33khz. I just figured I would get both good bass as well as good highs. I could be wrong, I'm here because I really don't know much about the difference between cartridges.
You are focusing on specs that are outside of the range of what most speakers or headphones can reproduce, outside what's on the record, and outside the limits of human hearing.

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Re: Best cartridge

Post by patient_ot » 27 May 2019 00:20

Sunwire wrote:
26 May 2019 19:43
I would go with the best Audio Technica MM cartridge you can afford.

Best long term investment. They will always make compatible needles with a variety of shapes.
Agreed.

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