Shure M97xE failure

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by macster » 22 May 2019 21:23

That's not a problem, that's an excuse to use JB Weld (two part epoxy) mine did the same thing and I freaked out. But once I calmed down, I remembered that I had some JB Weld on hand for things like this. As was mentioned, just make sure you get the alignment and other settings right and you are good to go. Mine is on it's 5th year.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by Paff » 23 May 2019 21:06

I'm biased, but I'd just get rid of the cart and buy a new one. See, I had the same cart for several years. I was getting more and more right channel dropouts (remedy: remove the cart, reseat. Reseat the stylus too if needed) which I understand was common with the 97.

Finally got tired of this routine and bought an Ortofon 2M Red (which is in the same price range as the Shure) and all problems went away. But more importantly, I found a vast improvement in sound. So much that I think the Shure I had was never really right. Because if it paled so much in comparison to a similarly priced cart like the Red, there's no way anyone would ever recommend it at all.

I know the 97 had a good reputation, but I didn't care for it at all and I'm glad I changed it out.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by BMRR » 23 May 2019 21:12

The 97xE has always been a controversial cart, and always will be. People either love them or hate them. There's not much middle ground. The older members of the 97 series such as the 97ED and 97HE were much bigger crowd pleasers.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by Ricketts223 » 23 May 2019 21:32

I was actually pretty happy with the sound, similar (to my ears anyway) to my old V15 type IV. Wish I kept that old girl. This is just a weird failure, and not even 9 months old. I am overdue for a spare cartridge - might check out the Ortofon :)

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by lbls1 » 24 May 2019 02:17

Wow...........don't know what to say about that. I've never seen a cartridge do that. Try using an epoxy to piece it back together. Its unfortunate, as this is supposed to be a good cartridge.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by lenjack » 24 May 2019 02:21

Lot's of folks talk it down, because it was so cheap, before it was discontinued, but I love it. I think the price had a lot to do with it.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by 2002afan » 24 May 2019 11:59

My Shure VSTIII body separated earlier this year after 31 years of ownership. :| The yellowish glue rubbed (rolled) off for easy cleanup. A smear of clear Gorilla Glue after a 24 hour set up did the trick.
As for the M97xE, Shure put a target on it's back when they wrote Audiophile cartridge on the box. :roll: Not even close. :lol:
A lot of better cart's when it was sold and a lot of WAY better carts now. :P
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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by lenjack » 24 May 2019 19:15

I respectfully disagree, and so do many others here. Maybe I have a tin ear, but I used to sell this stuff (not in a high pressure, razzle dazzle store), so I do know more than a little bit. Yes, I know about the treble roll off, but I'm not averse to using my tone controls. I believe it to be neutral, which some folks feel is not a good thing, detailed, and will track anything. Maybe I'm lucky, and got the last good one.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by Ricketts223 » 24 May 2019 21:19

Success! The glue is holding well. If it makes it past 9 months I've done better than the factory glue. Everything is back together. Playing the Go Go's and they sound great.

Just kidding on the Go Go's.

Maybe.

Seriously though, thanks for all the support and great reading for a new kid on the block. Now most likely looking for a second cartridge so that I have a spare if it does let go again.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by cafe latte » 24 May 2019 22:55

The problem with the M97xe is the coils care huge, there were also huge on the V15 IV, but the V15 IV had a laminated core which prevented saturation. Big coils equal a large dc resistance and high inductance which is not a good thing, but a big coil means it is possible to have a small magnet and lower moving mass, but there is no free lunch. When Shure made the V15 IV to combat the effects of the huge coils they used a laminated core, which prevented the treble roll off, also the V15 IV had a slightly shorter coil than the M97xe. Not sure why but when Shure made the M97xe they did not use the laminated core AND they made the coil longer increasing the issue of indictance and core saturation without lamination to help mitigate the issue. IMO the older and cheap as chip M91 with an LP gear vivid line stylus which has a way lower dc resistance sounds far far better than the M97xe. I have been way too bust lately but one thing I want to try as I am used to working with tiny stuff is cut the coils of the m97xe and wind then off a bit to the same DC resistance as a V15 III (much less). I cant do anything about it not having lamination's, but IMO this would drastically improve the M97xe
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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by Ricketts223 » 25 May 2019 00:58

So...a couple bevvies, and some disposable funds. I'm now looking at an Ortofon 2m Bronze. I should stop for the evening before this gets expensive

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by cafe latte » 25 May 2019 03:23

Ricketts223 wrote:
25 May 2019 00:58
So...a couple bevvies, and some disposable funds. I'm now looking at an Ortofon 2m Bronze. I should stop for the evening before this gets expensive
Far cheaper and great sounding option is pick up a used M91 online and get an lp gear vividline stylus. It will blow your m97xe out of the water.
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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by BMRR » 25 May 2019 14:30

lenjack wrote:
24 May 2019 19:15
Yes, I know about the treble roll off
. . .
I believe it to be neutral
It can't have rolled-off treble and be neutral, in my opinion. "Neutral," to me, implies flat frequency response throughout the entire audible range. Some of Shure's older carts had that. The M97xE does not, and Shure readily admitted that.

. . .

In addition to the excellent recommendations for the Shure M91 series — and you might as well consider the M75 too, since it's essentially the same cartridge, just with a different plastic housing — I would also add the M95 to the list. I have an M95ED with a JICO SAS, and to my ears it sounds 98% the same as the V15V-MR, and it outperforms my V15 III-HE.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by Ricketts223 » 25 May 2019 15:59

BMRR wrote:
25 May 2019 14:30
In addition to the excellent recommendations for the Shure M91 series — and you might as well consider the M75 too, since it's essentially the same cartridge, just with a different plastic housing — I would also add the M95 to the list. I have an M95ED with a JICO SAS, and to my ears it sounds 98% the same as the V15V-MR, and it outperforms my V15 III-HE.
The interesting thing is I just sold my GF's SL20A with an M95ED on it 2 months ago. It was my backup cartridge and would have worked well during the interim until I had this one fixed. I found it more harsh than the M97 but then of course it was the stock stylus as well, and can't vouch for how many hours were on it.

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Re: Shure M97xE failure

Post by cafe latte » 25 May 2019 23:23

Ricketts223 wrote:
25 May 2019 15:59
BMRR wrote:
25 May 2019 14:30
In addition to the excellent recommendations for the Shure M91 series — and you might as well consider the M75 too, since it's essentially the same cartridge, just with a different plastic housing — I would also add the M95 to the list. I have an M95ED with a JICO SAS, and to my ears it sounds 98% the same as the V15V-MR, and it outperforms my V15 III-HE.
The interesting thing is I just sold my GF's SL20A with an M95ED on it 2 months ago. It was my backup cartridge and would have worked well during the interim until I had this one fixed. I found it more harsh than the M97 but then of course it was the stock stylus as well, and can't vouch for how many hours were on it.
My m91 with stock stylus is a little harsh, with the m97xe stylus is was very nice indeed, with the vivid line it is a really really nice cart.
Chris