I quit, no more new vinyl.

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by VinyldechezPierre » 02 Jan 2019 17:17

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Gelid wrote:
01 Jan 2019 06:55
I've bought a couple LP's from Urban Outfitters and Best Buy and they were of a lesser quality that I would expect... I think stores such as these get the cast-offs that the quality dept at the pressing plant bounced.

Find an online source or reputible record store local to your area.
It's kinda funny, but something we never even thought about in the 70's, when I bought most of my vinyl, was the fact that a stamper was only good for so many stamps, and it was time to replace with a new one. So I may have been getting one of the last stamps out of a stamper's life span or one of the first. No way to know.
Very true but I don't think some stores got the baddies...

That said, I am not the truth!

So who knows, but it seems like it would need a whole lot of expensive organization to actually make happen. And such organization would eat the profits.

And no corporation I know of wants to eat its profits.

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by ravelax » 04 Jan 2019 14:16

I don't buy a lot of new vinyl, since I've always felt new pressings of classic albums on vinyl is somehow "fake". I'd rather have an original pressing or if that's too collectible/expensive, a repress from the period before CD took over. But these days, with some new music I listen to LP is the only physical format it's released on, and then of course I buy the LP. Occasionally I do it even if there is a CD, because it's still an original issue and not some kind of latter-day nostaliga merch. I have to say I haven't really had any bad experiences, on the contrary some of the LPs I've bought have been among the very best releases I've heard, regardless of format even (normally I prefer the sound quality of CDs). While some have had the occasional light tick here and there, I haven't so far had any real problems with surface noise on new vinyl. No pops, no scratches.

However, while the pressings I've gotten generally have been good (as in flat, noise-free, centered), the source material that's pressed isn't always as good. It seems that often the same bad, compressed-to-death loudness war master used to put on streaming services has been used to press the LP, and that's a real shame when the pressing itself is good because it really lets you appreciate how ruined the music is. And with new music, one can't just look for a better pressing or an original copy. One can only hope that somewhere down the line the loudness war ends and someone releases a sensible remaster and repress of the same album. But I guess when most people play those albums on a Crosley-type player, one couldn't tell the difference between a good and bad master...

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by dysmike » 04 Jan 2019 14:48

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I don't buy a lot of new vinyl, since I've always felt new pressings of classic albums on vinyl is somehow "fake".
New pressings of old vinyl are, IMO, the equivalent of modern replicas of classic cars. It looks cool to those that don't know what they are looking at. It is also a lot better. But it is not a classic car. It is a new car that looks like a classic car.

If I want a new "pressing" of an old album, I just get it in digital.
So, you ONLY get first pressings. Because otherwise, they're all just represses.

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Post by dysmike » 04 Jan 2019 15:23

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It's not about represses. It's about re-releases. I only get the original release. I'm also not a fan of "greatest hits" releases.

BTW, one place my analogy breaks down is that, unlike modern replicas of classic cars, sometimes a re-release is not superior to the original and can even be worse, but it's really a subjective call. A modern replica of an old car is generally superior in pretty much every way.
Ok, that's a lot more clear. And I can understand that.

I have re-releases that do sound better than my original copy, but that's rare.. The Police's recent boxed set release is one of those.

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Post by VinyldechezPierre » 04 Jan 2019 16:06

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It's not about represses. It's about re-releases. I only get the original release.
Dang! And here I am waiting for a remastered release of an album I love because the original (4 copies all bad) is a piece of crap.

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by ravelax » 04 Jan 2019 16:15

VinyldechezPierre wrote:
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It's not about represses. It's about re-releases. I only get the original release.
Dang! And here I am waiting for a remastered release of an album I love because the original (4 copies all bad) is a piece of crap.
That's a shame when it is like that, more so with new releases (not reissues, that is) which are less likely to be remastered any time soon.

, it seems we agree on the issue of re-releases! Though as I mentioned, if in the future someone releases a better-sounding vinyl remaster of one of the badly mastered new albums I have, I would probably buy it. But I probably won't ever be paying premium money for, say, a current re-release of Dark Side of the Moon when the 1973 pressing I have sounds as good as it does.

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by Pikey » 04 Jan 2019 17:17

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Nobody's heard of "mold release compound"? REALLY??? :?
I may be dreaming here , but I thought sometime ago we'd come to the conclusion that there was no such thing? ...

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by VinyldechezPierre » 05 Jan 2019 12:26

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I confess that if someone was to find a GOOD studio tape of King Crimson and remastered, I'd buy that one in a heartbeat.
Sorry, but which album are you talking about.

In the meantime, studio tapes do degrade with time even if kept in the best way possible. At least, that's my understanding.

Saw a mini documentory about Bohemian Rapshody in which Brian May first explained we were listening to a digitized version of the original tape because they didn't dare use the actual tape anymore...

Now, the album I have a problem with, I don't know where the problem is exactly. I now know that there is no good vinyl version but I can't know that there is a good or decent version of a CD.

If it's a mastering problem and the CD has been remastered, it could be good. What if the problem is in the recording?

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by ravelax » 05 Jan 2019 12:31

VinyldechezPierre wrote:
05 Jan 2019 12:26
What if the problem is in the recording?
Then there's not much to do...

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by VinyldechezPierre » 05 Jan 2019 12:44

ravelax wrote:
05 Jan 2019 12:31
VinyldechezPierre wrote:
05 Jan 2019 12:26
What if the problem is in the recording?
Then there's not much to do...
Exactly, and I don't want to buy a CD just to be disappointed again. Especially since after 40+ years I'm kinda used to hear it the way I hear it.

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by audiopile » 05 Jan 2019 16:44

What I suspect now (decades and many copies on LP's and a CD version) is that the tape saturated / mic(s) overloaded/mixer input clipped ??? -but what bothers me on some of the vocal crescendo's on Mamas and Papas recordings are never going to be fixed. BTW- master tapes degrading isn't universal - some BASF tapes if stored properly are holding up quit well - someone check this -but I think it's the 3M/Scotch tapes that were almost universally used in studios in the USA (and often also in Europe) that are now shedding oxide and are generally viewed as needing special treatment/care to even hope to get one more archival "play" off of 'em today.

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Post by padego » 06 Jan 2019 04:06

Picked up Gillian Welch's The Harrow and the Harvest as well as Soul Journey, both are flawless. I tend to look for smaller runs and less well known artists as they tend to have greater control over the final product and have rarely had a problem. For older LPs I do my best to avoid recent reissues as they tend to be produced more for monetary gain then quality....

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by VinyldechezPierre » 06 Jan 2019 15:20

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05 Jan 2019 16:44
What I suspect now (decades and many copies on LP's and a CD version) is that the tape saturated / mic(s) overloaded/mixer input clipped ??? -but what bothers me on some of the vocal crescendo's on Mamas and Papas recordings are never going to be fixed. BTW- master tapes degrading isn't universal - some BASF tapes if stored properly are holding up quit well - someone check this -but I think it's the 3M/Scotch tapes that were almost universally used in studios in the USA (and often also in Europe) that are now shedding oxide and are generally viewed as needing special treatment/care to even hope to get one more archival "play" off of 'em today.
I mentioned a possible recording problem but don't actually believe it. If a problem happened in the studio, you would do another take (or more) to fix it.
Even if the engineer, the producer and the musicians were all drunk or out of their minds on drukqs, I think the mastering engineer would say something...

As for tape storing, I am not a specialist, but as a once user of cassettes which were used and stored in my big truck, through very cold or very hot weather, when I was a long haul driver in the USA, I can't help to think tape is tape.

Why would my cassettes survive such harsh treatment while studio tapes stored in (more or less) the best conditions suffer? To me, some things just don't make sense. But, again, I am not a specialist. And certainly not a scientist. :D

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by audiopile » 06 Jan 2019 17:11

The issue with master tapes is the glue or binder that holds the oxide to the base fails. And this is covered in a Wiki under "sticky shed syndrome". Since what made cassettes attractive for most folks was the ability to bring their music into their ride - assumptions about benign storage conditions were never part of the design/chemistry. Still - I recommend to old customers who want to transfer cassettes for archiving of some sort - do this sooner rather than later. Not only are machines to play back the tapes getting rare to find in fully operational condition - but cassette tapes always ran the gamut from crap to excellent in terms of construction/quality -depending on them long term to store music seems optimistic.

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Re: I quit, no more new vinyl.

Post by audiopile » 06 Jan 2019 18:55

Haven't owned a R2R in 45 years or so -had a excellent 1/2 track 15ips TEAC 7020 back then. I had very good turntables/arms/fresh styli and just couldn't justify copying records to tape. But studio master tapes are a whole 'nother thing and the oxide shedding is a threat to the history of our music and it's enjoyment in the future. Not much we can do about it. BTW- I keep walking into rooms at Axpona and going " woa -that's TASTY!" and look around and there's a restored Reel to Reel playing - nothin wrong with the sound at all -but the tapes they are playin are copies of masters or safety masters and run anywhere from 250 -600 bucks EACH $$$. Gotta put this in the category of four hundred dollar a bottle wines - they're for somebody else.

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