An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by jledwards » 19 Dec 2018 22:36

After watching the video I think I would've like to have seen him hook this up to his main system. Using the on-board preamp and then what looked like to be a TC-750 instead of just the bluetooth. I have a AT-LP60 with bluetooth and a AT-LP3. Both I bought used, $55 for the LP60 locally and $45 for the LP3 on Ebay. I can tell you that the LP3 is the same as the LP60 in terms of motor, preamp, platter, and auto return. At the moment the LP3 is going for $200 US new and the LP60 with bluetooth for $130 US. So maybe for less than the cost of a LP3 with a stylus/cart upgrade and external preamp this might be a decent entry level TT.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 19 Dec 2018 22:58

dysmike wrote:
19 Dec 2018 22:31

Guys, I think we can all admit that the Yugo was better than the Trabant.
I was working in the museum where a lot of people from East Germany came as visitors and they were really mad on modern german state. All of them said to me that that they lived better and happier in times of DDR. Life was cheap at that time and they had their own huge production which was destroyed by new german state after 1990.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by KentT » 20 Dec 2018 14:35

dysmike wrote:
19 Dec 2018 22:31
Vinylfreak86 wrote:
19 Dec 2018 21:42
as made on Fiat base and with a lot of licensed made Fiat parts. But you don`t know anything about working conditions in former socialist Eastern Europe, especially not in Yugoslavia. They were far better than today in capitalism and something that workers in USA, UK and Canada can only dream about. And who is responsible for collapse of USSR and Yugoslavia? Those who print dollars with Saudi friendship...
Guys, I think we can all admit that the Yugo was better than the Trabant.
Yugo a quality car? Not in the USA. The Fiat original was bad enough. Better than a Trabant, yes. But compared to what the Japanese were cranking out from Toyota, Datsun, and Honda, nowhere near these vehicles (I see a fair amount of Toyotas this old still on the road in my area)

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by abs1 » 20 Dec 2018 19:00

Vinylfreak86 wrote:
19 Dec 2018 22:58
dysmike wrote:
19 Dec 2018 22:31

Guys, I think we can all admit that the Yugo was better than the Trabant.
I was working in the museum where a lot of people from East Germany came as visitors and they were really mad on modern german state. All of them said to me that that they lived better and happier in times of DDR. Life was cheap at that time and they had their own huge production which was destroyed by new german state after 1990.
Spoken like a true communist. Are they awarding you a chest full of fake shiny medals for this support?

"Life was cheap at that time" ............

Now the truth comes out!

How many of you out there would want to live in a place where "life was cheap"?

I, for one, am through with this farce. Absolutely nothing good can come out of debating with this type of person.

Bye,
Al

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by lenjack » 20 Dec 2018 19:26

These are good discussions, but they don't belong in a turntables forum. :!:

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Dr_Wu » 20 Dec 2018 21:42

I thought maybe this thread was about the Fluance line that is getting so much attention. Any opinions on them?
https://www.fluance.com/turntables

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 20 Dec 2018 22:06

abs1 wrote:
20 Dec 2018 19:00


Spoken like a true communist. Are they awarding you a chest full of fake shiny medals for this support?

"Life was cheap at that time" ............

Now the truth comes out!

How many of you out there would want to live in a place where "life was cheap"?

I, for one, am through with this farce. Absolutely nothing good can come out of debating with this type of person.

Bye,
Al
To be realpolitically educated, doesn`t mean that you are a communist. Bolshevik revolution was at the beginning also financed by "printer of dollars" and many more famous bolsheviks like Trotsky had american passport. They were sent to demolish the Empire of Romanovs and destroy historical russian state. They made that successfully but later Stalin redirected the soviet train into another direction.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Solist » 21 Dec 2018 00:23

How did this thread got from A new cheap turntable to communism and bolshevik revolution? :old-git:

Anyhow, before I start reading every post.

I have never in my life seen such a thin platter. It looks like it is made from a thin sheet of metal..I really have my doubts about this..

You just can not make a good TT for 100 bucks. Just the cost of a couple of key things will cost you more than 100 bucks. So it is either very cheap materials, machine made parts with a bit of slavery thrown in the mix, to look like a turntable or..well I do not see another option.

I understand that there is a certain amount of interest in the market for cheaper turntables, something to plug and play basically, and when you get over, you throw it in the bin.

But if anyone asks me new vs old I will always suggest to get a nice vintage turntable. You can get a nice manual TT, that really does not require much service and if you learn how to do it by yourself, then it is even better.

Especially, when you have a limited budget and you cant really afford anything new that is actually good. And you have to pay a lot of pennies to get something good.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Coffee Phil » 21 Dec 2018 02:03

Hi Solist,

Have you actually seen the physical player or a photo which clearly shows the platter to not be suitable? If there is such a photo please provide a linc.

As I said earlier this machines does seem to fill a nitch. It has an internal phono stage which can go into home theatre receivers which many people have. It also has blue tooth which will allow folks to listen with whatever they stream their music on now.

I don’t guess that this is a great turntable but it looks like fair value for ~ $100, plug and play. To be sure I would not be a customer as I know how to fix vintage players and the required electronics to use with them.

Someone was dissing this machine because the arm pivot is not perpendicular to the axis of the cartridge. For sure that would be nice but my SME 3009 suffers from the same glaring design error. Do I need to dump it and get a proper arm?

Phil
Solist wrote:
21 Dec 2018 00:23
How did this thread got from A new cheap turntable to communism and bolshevik revolution? :old-git:

Anyhow, before I start reading every post.

I have never in my life seen such a thin platter. It looks like it is made from a thin sheet of metal..I really have my doubts about this..

You just can not make a good TT for 100 bucks. Just the cost of a couple of key things will cost you more than 100 bucks. So it is either very cheap materials, machine made parts with a bit of slavery thrown in the mix, to look like a turntable or..well I do not see another option.

I understand that there is a certain amount of interest in the market for cheaper turntables, something to plug and play basically, and when you get over, you throw it in the bin.

But if anyone asks me new vs old I will always suggest to get a nice vintage turntable. You can get a nice manual TT, that really does not require much service and if you learn how to do it by yourself, then it is even better.

Especially, when you have a limited budget and you cant really afford anything new that is actually good. And you have to pay a lot of pennies to get something good.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Dr_Wu » 21 Dec 2018 13:18

What surprised me the most is that their top of the line table is only $500USD.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Dr_Wu » 21 Dec 2018 15:02

I understand and, yes, a hundred dollar TT with those features is a nice entry point.

Like your avatar pic. I wore the grooves out on "The Lonely Bull". Well OK, the cover was pretty racy for those days, too. I still listen to HA's "Rise" CD every month or so.

Cheers!

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Spinner45 » 21 Dec 2018 17:21

wrote:
21 Dec 2018 15:23
Dr_Wu wrote:
21 Dec 2018 15:02
I understand and, yes, a hundred dollar TT with those features is a nice entry point.

Like your avatar pic. I wore the grooves out on "The Lonely Bull". Well OK, the cover was pretty racy for those days, too. I still listen to HA's "Rise" CD every month or so.

Cheers!
I was in 7th grade. That was the first album I ever bought. :)

I've acquired a new appreciation for HA in the last five years. They were GOOD. They just were.
I still have HA's Rise - the 12 inch single version on clear transparent vinyl.
the 1979 version.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Solist » 21 Dec 2018 17:40

Coffee Phil wrote:
21 Dec 2018 02:03
Hi Solist,

Have you actually seen the physical player or a photo which clearly shows the platter to not be suitable? If there is such a photo please provide a linc.

As I said earlier this machines does seem to fill a nitch. It has an internal phono stage which can go into home theatre receivers which many people have. It also has blue tooth which will allow folks to listen with whatever they stream their music on now.

I don’t guess that this is a great turntable but it looks like fair value for ~ $100, plug and play. To be sure I would not be a customer as I know how to fix vintage players and the required electronics to use with them.

Someone was dissing this machine because the arm pivot is not perpendicular to the axis of the cartridge. For sure that would be nice but my SME 3009 suffers from the same glaring design error. Do I need to dump it and get a proper arm?

Phil
Solist wrote:
21 Dec 2018 00:23
How did this thread got from A new cheap turntable to communism and bolshevik revolution? :old-git:

Anyhow, before I start reading every post.

I have never in my life seen such a thin platter. It looks like it is made from a thin sheet of metal..I really have my doubts about this..

You just can not make a good TT for 100 bucks. Just the cost of a couple of key things will cost you more than 100 bucks. So it is either very cheap materials, machine made parts with a bit of slavery thrown in the mix, to look like a turntable or..well I do not see another option.

I understand that there is a certain amount of interest in the market for cheaper turntables, something to plug and play basically, and when you get over, you throw it in the bin.

But if anyone asks me new vs old I will always suggest to get a nice vintage turntable. You can get a nice manual TT, that really does not require much service and if you learn how to do it by yourself, then it is even better.

Especially, when you have a limited budget and you cant really afford anything new that is actually good. And you have to pay a lot of pennies to get something good.
No, not in person. You can see it in the video, 6:37 gives you a nice angle. It looks very thin to me.

Yes, there is a market, but I just have a hard time to suggest anyone something new. Mainly because I have seen videos of these kind of factories, and I rather not buy anything.. So if any of my friends asks me, I try to find them a nice used TT and then I service it.

And I bet you that a lot less people would choose to buy new budget, if they would have seen a nice vintage tt first.

In Europe, lets consider manuals, you can get a Sansui sr 222 for 150€. Or every Dual you can imagine for under 100€ (except the better DDs). Although prices in the last 2 years went through the roof, so you need to wait a bit if you want a good deal.

Regarding the 3009, yes definitely dump it, stupid design!
Rumor has it that the misalignment of the arm pivot to the axis of the cartridge causes excessive wear on both the stylus and the LP.
Although you should first send it to me, so I can closely examine it, before I throw it in the bin... :wink: :^o

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Slavikcc » 21 Dec 2018 18:21

Solist wrote:
21 Dec 2018 00:23
How did this thread got from A new cheap turntable to communism and bolshevik revolution? :old-git:

Anyhow, before I start reading every post.

I have never in my life seen such a thin platter. It looks like it is made from a thin sheet of metal..I really have my doubts about this..

You just can not make a good TT for 100 bucks. Just the cost of a couple of key things will cost you more than 100 bucks. So it is either very cheap materials, machine made parts with a bit of slavery thrown in the mix, to look like a turntable or..well I do not see another option.

I understand that there is a certain amount of interest in the market for cheaper turntables, something to plug and play basically, and when you get over, you throw it in the bin.

But if anyone asks me new vs old I will always suggest to get a nice vintage turntable. You can get a nice manual TT, that really does not require much service and if you learn how to do it by yourself, then it is even better.

Especially, when you have a limited budget and you cant really afford anything new that is actually good. And you have to pay a lot of pennies to get something good.
Precisely that or go with digital, in my opinion. The latter much cheaper in many ways, if it's CDs or digital downloads, provided that the recordings aren't brickwalled to death. :?

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Slavikcc » 21 Dec 2018 18:24

Dr_Wu wrote:
20 Dec 2018 21:42
I thought maybe this thread was about the Fluance line that is getting so much attention. Any opinions on them?
https://www.fluance.com/turntables
As a personal anecdote, I helped one of my co-workers get a Fluance turntable over one of those all-in-one Crosley player abominations. So, I'd say the Fluance is much better than the crappy HeyDey/LP60/low-end Skywin OEM players.