An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by abs1 » 18 Dec 2018 15:31

KentT wrote:
18 Dec 2018 13:33
Not for me. The cheapest new turntable which fully meets my needs, happens to be the Technics SL-1200G. I don't need Bluetooth, sub par build quality, iffy reliability, features I don't need or want, a tonearm with less than precision bearings, or poorly isolated from the wood floors and gimpy feet which it must live with.
+1

For me, an entry-level Rega or Pro Ject would be a better investment in a beginner's turntable. Of course they're more expensive, but not by enough to really matter in the long run. Kinda reminds me of the car buyer who had the choice of a Honda/Toyota but chose a Yugo 'cause it cost a few bucks less.

The Honda and Toyota both are probably still running. The Yugo ..........well ........

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by vinyl master » 18 Dec 2018 16:35

I knew you guys would have more thoughtful answers...It does kinda bug me that they would take all that trouble to do their research and come up with a turntable that has a counterweight, removable cartridge and anti-skate (which the AT LP 60 does NOT have) and then, not go all the way with a better build...If it's not gonna last the test of time, why build it in the first place??? :? My Duals, for example, are still running 60 years later and that's a testament to their quality and to Dual itself! If Target REALLY did their homework, they would KNOW how bad the Crosleys, Ions and subpar AT's are (and what we've said about them over the years) and would want to outdo those guys at that price point! Maybe, though, it will encourage some other manufacturer to make something with those essential ingredients and then, go even further...And if they do come up with the penultimate entry-level budget turntable, I can think of a perfect focus group that they can test it out on! :wink: :wink:

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Pikey » 18 Dec 2018 18:20

It's easy to forget that we were all 'uninformed impulse buying teenagers' once!

I shudder to think back 50 years and my first one box Marconiphone record player , but guess what, those LP's that I bought back then are still with me and play perfectly fine ... perhaps vinyl is tougher than we think!

Something to think about anyway ...

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by dysmike » 18 Dec 2018 18:43

Pikey wrote:
18 Dec 2018 18:20
perhaps vinyl is tougher than we think!

Something to think about anyway ...
I suspect it is, much of my vinyl is in better shape than CDs from the mid-80s at this point. And well, until my first (used, and gotten in about '91) Beogram I didn't exactly have anything even resembling a 'mid-fi' system.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 18 Dec 2018 21:35

abs1 wrote:
18 Dec 2018 15:31


The Honda and Toyota both are probably still running. The Yugo ..........well ........

Cheers,
Al
Off topic. Have to say to you that Yugo`s are still running here. And export versions for USA were even better made than those for yugoslavian market. Yugo is like Dual turntables, mechanical and easy to make replacement parts by yourself. :)

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by hi_torq » 19 Dec 2018 00:11

First and obvious error is that the vertical bearing is not at 90deg. WRT the headshell.

Now, I know that there a lot of highly revered tonearms also like this, but as far as I'm concerned it's avoidable at no cost, and there really is no excuse.

The problem being, of course, that azimuth errors will result as the pickup rides warps. (And that's hoping that the VTA is correct on a flat disc.)

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Spinner45 » 19 Dec 2018 04:26

hi_torq wrote:
19 Dec 2018 00:11
First and obvious error is that the vertical bearing is not at 90deg. WRT the headshell.

Now, I know that there a lot of highly revered tonearms also like this, but as far as I'm concerned it's avoidable at no cost, and there really is no excuse.

The problem being, of course, that azimuth errors will result as the pickup rides warps. (And that's hoping that the VTA is correct on a flat disc.)
You're correct.
On warps, the stylus would "rock" sideways in the groove.
Add to that the "up/down" warp ride, and the poor stylus would get dizzy.

But seriously, I don't own or like tonearms/players with that bad design.
I'm no snob about VTF or azimuth, but please design the thing properly.
It's easy.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Slavikcc » 19 Dec 2018 13:23

There's been reports of speed problems (too fast/slow) and tonearm bearings being wobbly from the Heydey player. Still, a slight above the LP60 but not all that much better. That $100 could be used to fund a better turntable, new or used.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by abs1 » 19 Dec 2018 17:43

Vinylfreak86 wrote:
18 Dec 2018 21:35
abs1 wrote:
18 Dec 2018 15:31


The Honda and Toyota both are probably still running. The Yugo ..........well ........

Cheers,
Al
Off topic. Have to say to you that Yugo`s are still running here. And export versions for USA were even better made than those for yugoslavian market. Yugo is like Dual turntables, mechanical and easy to make replacement parts by yourself. :)
:lol:

Did you get offended and call "off topic" because my post struck too close to home? Now what? Are you going to cry to the site administrators asking them to delete this post?

Your statement is so far from the truth that I have to stop laughing in order to type this. Yugo cars were made by what we in the West referred to as slave laborers - the "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" kind of worker whose skilled craftsmanship caused Eastern European products to be oh so popular in the free world back then.

Please don't try to BS me with exaggerated claims about the Yugo cars. I worked for an auto dealership in the mid-1980's that took on a Yugo franchise. What a joke! These cars were nothing but re-engineered Fiats with all of Fiats natural defects plus the extremely poor workmanship that resulted from Yugoslavian assembly lines. Our dealership sold them for a couple of miserable years before Yugo pulled the plug and declared bankruptcy, leaving their customers stuck with vehicles that were still technically in warranty but with no repair facilities or parts available to perform these repairs. I used to see one on the road now and then, but by now they've all rusted into oblivion. Try telling the thousands of disappointed Yugo buyers in the US who were stuck with their useless junk after that bankruptcy how great the Yugo is.

To even use the term "Yugo" in the same sentence as Dual turntables is an extreme insult to Dual and its fans.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Coffee Phil » 19 Dec 2018 18:08

Hi Vinyl master,

I think it fills a niche. From what I see in the video it looks like an entry level, almost "real" turntable. I would for sure look it over and play some thrift store finds on it before letting my copy of Giant Steps near it.

To dismiss it because it came from target and on its price point is snobbery. Quite usable CD players sold for less than $100 dollars and really there is a lot more to a CD player then a vinyl player.

If the market supports an entry level vinyl player I can't believe that a usable one can't be made to sell for less than $100.

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vinyl master wrote:
18 Dec 2018 04:17
I just came across this NEW turntable today...It has all the features you could want...Counterweight? Check! Anti-Skating Dial?? Check! Check! Removable or upgradeable cartridge??? Check! Check! Check! It also has the ability to sync with Bluetooth speakers, if you're into that sort of thing...You can use the built-in preamp, but it also gives you the option to switch to YOUR OWN preamp, should you desire...It comes with a standard Audio Technica cartridge (set to 2.5 grams in the video below), but it looks like you could upgrade to an Ortofon or any other cartridge of your choice...The kicker...It's UNDER $100, people...

THAT SAID, let it not go unsaid that I will still fight for the virtues of a well-built VINTAGE turntable ANY DAY...No one is dissuading me from buying vintage in the least and I will still go vintage if given a choice...I still find the aesthetics and quality of a VINTAGE turntable to be mostly miles above the rest...You all know the tables in my personal arsenal...BUT, for a newbie just getting their feet wet in the hobby and wanting something more substantial (and well-built) than a Crosley, Ion, or similar clone, for a minimum amount of coin, this may be just what they've been looking for!

Ladies and gentlemen...Check out the Heyday turntable from Target! Here is a review I found that might interest you guys...



Again, I have no affiliation whatsoever with this table...I only came across it in my travels today and was wondering what you all think...Who knows? It might just be another option to the U-Turn, but I will be cautious in making any more verdicts until I hear what the expert Engineers here have to say...So, guys, what say you??? :-k

What I'd really like to know is if any of you have bought one or inspected one closer at a Target near you...Some more reviews of this thing might be in order before we accept it into the canon of "new budget tables" worth recommending...So far, it looks better than a Crosley and that's all I can say about it...Again, more thoughts, guys??? :-k

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by lenjack » 19 Dec 2018 19:25

It might be the best for under $100, and the very coolest thing about it is from the description,
"Gray turntable features gold accents for a sleek, modern look". #-o =P~ =D> You can't ask for more than that.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Spinner45 » 19 Dec 2018 20:18

lenjack wrote:
19 Dec 2018 19:25
It might be the best for under $100, and the very coolest thing about it is from the description,
"Gray turntable features gold accents for a sleek, modern look". #-o =P~ =D> You can't ask for more than that.
Exactly, superficiality sells products.
Always did, always will.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by Vinylfreak86 » 19 Dec 2018 21:42

abs1 wrote:
19 Dec 2018 17:43


Your statement is so far from the truth that I have to stop laughing in order to type this. Yugo cars were made by what we in the West referred to as slave laborers - the "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" kind of worker whose skilled craftsmanship caused Eastern European products to be oh so popular in the free world back then.

Please don't try to BS me with exaggerated claims about the Yugo cars. I worked for an auto dealership in the mid-1980's that took on a Yugo franchise. What a joke! These cars were nothing but re-engineered Fiats with all of Fiats natural defects plus the extremely poor workmanship that resulted from Yugoslavian assembly lines. Our dealership sold them for a couple of miserable years before Yugo pulled the plug and declared bankruptcy, leaving their customers stuck with vehicles that were still technically in warranty but with no repair facilities or parts available to perform these repairs. I used to see one on the road now and then, but by now they've all rusted into oblivion. Try telling the thousands of disappointed Yugo buyers in the US who were stuck with their useless junk after that bankruptcy how great the Yugo is.

To even use the term "Yugo" in the same sentence as Dual turntables is an extreme insult to Dual and its fans.
Yes, it was made on Fiat base and with a lot of licensed made Fiat parts. But you don`t know anything about working conditions in former socialist Eastern Europe, especially not in Yugoslavia. They were far better than today in capitalism and something that workers in USA, UK and Canada can only dream about. And who is responsible for collapse of USSR and Yugoslavia? Those who print dollars with Saudi friendship...

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by lenjack » 19 Dec 2018 22:19

I thought we were talking about turntables.

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Re: An epiphany...Could THIS be the turntable everyone's looking for???

Post by dysmike » 19 Dec 2018 22:31

Vinylfreak86 wrote:
19 Dec 2018 21:42
as made on Fiat base and with a lot of licensed made Fiat parts. But you don`t know anything about working conditions in former socialist Eastern Europe, especially not in Yugoslavia. They were far better than today in capitalism and something that workers in USA, UK and Canada can only dream about. And who is responsible for collapse of USSR and Yugoslavia? Those who print dollars with Saudi friendship...
Guys, I think we can all admit that the Yugo was better than the Trabant.