Pulling up a seat at the turntable.. [New User]

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Pulling up a seat at the turntable.. [New User]

Post by Pillows_of_Death » 09 Dec 2018 20:21

New to the audio scene, I have a Kenwood KD-550 and Sansui speakers (non-powered) that were my dad's back in the 70's/80's and I want to have a good setup without breaking the bank. I've been looking at what equipment I'll need between the table and the speakers, any suggestions?

Is this the right place to post this?

I'm at work, can provide exact spec's this evening.

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Post by lenjack » 10 Dec 2018 18:40

This is the right place. Does the turntable have a cartridge? Assuming it does, and assuming it is a magnetic cartridge, it needs to be connected to the phono input of an amplifier or a receiver. The speaker terminals of the amplifier or receiver are then to be connected by wires to your speakers.

We await your update...and welcome. :)

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Post by nat » 12 Dec 2018 00:44

That is a fine turntable, though there is a possiblity that it needs to have the controls cleaned and the bearing relubed. I would also check the bolts that hold the arm board for tightness. The arm was not universally admired at the time (massier than was the rage then), but it is a perfectly good arm, easy to use, and well suited for the types of cartridges that are available now. Of course, it may have a fine cartridge on it now, in which case, the question is the condition of the stylus.
Did your father have a reciever or integrated amp, or even a preamp and power amp? You will need one of those options, and, if you decide to buy something new, it will need to have a phono stage built in. But you will probably be able to find an age appropriate used item at much lower prices at thrift shops, garage sales, church fairs, or Craigslist. Or maybe the for sale section here. Until you have a sense of what you want, don't pay much (and avoid shipping if at all possible since it costs money and often leads to the destruction of the desired item). Find something usable, and then take the leisure of looking for what you really want. One thing it might be is a Sansui 9090. But there are many equally fine alternatives.

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Post by Ghaasl » 12 Dec 2018 02:38

Pillows_of_Death wrote:
09 Dec 2018 20:21
New to the audio scene, I have a Kenwood KD-550 and Sansui speakers (non-powered) that were my dad's back in the 70's/80's and I want to have a good setup without breaking the bank. I've been looking at what equipment I'll need between the table and the speakers, any suggestions?

Is this the right place to post this?

I'm at work, can provide exact spec's this evening.
Welcome! You’ve come to the right place. I’m of the camp that says buy something of a similar vintage as your turntable and speakers. I tend to be matchy matchy so my rig is all Pioneer. The only out of era pieces in my analogue train are my speakers (late 80s) and a modern cartridge, though the cartridge has that vintage “warmth”. Welcome to VE and enjoy your journey.

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Post by JoeE SP9 » 12 Dec 2018 18:21

I'm of the camp that says, buy something of the same quality/sound level or better. I couldn't care less when or where something was made or what the brand name is. The only thing that matters to me is the sound.

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Post by vinyl master » 12 Dec 2018 19:21

Where do you live, pillows? A good receiver may be just what you need (especially if the budget is a concern) and we could probably find you some candidates locally to check out...A nice vintage Kenwood or Sansui perhaps could be your ticket...And you're talking to someone who has those components and loves them! There are many nice models out there, too, and some from other brands that would be equally fine...I've found quite a few quality pieces for other members here, so what have you got to lose? Plus, you can audition/check any that you like out IN PERSON to hear them for yourself! What say you? :-k

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Post by Ghaasl » 12 Dec 2018 21:04

vinyl master wrote:
12 Dec 2018 19:21
Where do you live, pillows? A good receiver may be just what you need (especially if the budget is a concern) and we could probably find you some candidates locally to check out...A nice vintage Kenwood or Sansui perhaps could be your ticket...And you're talking to someone who has those components and loves them! There are many nice models out there, too, and some from other brands that would be equally fine...I've found quite a few quality pieces for other members here, so what have you got to lose? Plus, you can audition/check any that you like out IN PERSON to hear them for yourself! What say you? :-k
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What he said. VM is amazing at finding deals

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Post by Pillows_of_Death » 13 Dec 2018 08:45

Speakers are Sansui SP2500X, cartridge is (from what I can tell) a Stanton D71-2E. Willing to do work and any modernizations (grounded power cable for starters, haha). I'll look into the Sansui 9090, my dad's equipment between TT and speakers are non-existant, I can't remember him using the system since I was 7 or so. I want to do as retro a setup as possible and I live in San Fransisco, CA. I like projects and I want this to be the crown jewel. :D

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Post by vinyl master » 13 Dec 2018 11:48

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Take a look at those and see if anything stands out to you! :D

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Post by Pillows_of_Death » 13 Dec 2018 17:49

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ele/d/ ... 02324.html

I've got a good feeling about this one, doing some research on it now. Would be willing to spend more as I upgrade, but I don't have as much as a lot of these $200+ sellers are asking for and I don't know enough without actually getting into this whole audio life.

So, just for my own edification:

KD 550 -> KR 3600-> Sansui SP2500X ??

If true, what's my cartridge situation looking like?

edit: consolidated two posts.

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Post by Pillows_of_Death » 14 Dec 2018 03:25

Also, as a newcomer, are there any specific threads on this forum that I should be following? Looking for personal recommendations and reasons why. Thanks!

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Post by Tinkaroo » 14 Dec 2018 09:30

Pillows_of_Death wrote:
13 Dec 2018 17:49
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ele/d/ ... 02324.html

I've got a good feeling about this one, doing some research on it now. Would be willing to spend more as I upgrade, but I don't have as much as a lot of these $200+ sellers are asking for and I don't know enough without actually getting into this whole audio life.

So, just for my own edification:

KD 550 -> KR 3600-> Sansui SP2500X ??

If true, what's my cartridge situation looking like?

edit: consolidated two posts.
The Kenwood KR-3600 should be fine. I have the KR-5600 from that series and it was a good series and should serve you well.

You may want to check into a replacement stylus for your cartridge if it is worn or you aren't sure. A worn stylus will make everything you play sound bad and could eventually damage your records.

The chain you show from the turntable to the speakers looks correct. It sounds as if you need some speaker wires between your speakers and the receiver output terminals. Just basic speaker wire, perhaps 14 gauge will do.

If you haven't done so, download an owners manual for your receiver from Hifi Engine. It will show you how everything should be connected to the receiver such as speakers, turntables or line input devices such as a CD or media player.

I you know anybody locally from an older generation such as myself who grew up with stereo equipment and turntables, don't be afraid to ask them for help in setting up in addition to what you can learn online. I did that when I was starting out and even read books on audio since we didn't have the internet or even computers. The owners manuals for your receiver and turntable are your best source on hook-up info for components and will show diagrams on what goes where.

Good luck and let s know how you make out!

Edit- When you hook up your speakers, make sure that you hook the positive wire on the receiver to the positive terminal on the speaker terminal. That needs to be done on both speakers to keep them "in phase". If this isn't done then the sound won't be correct. It's also important to hook up the right RCA from the turntable to the right phono connection of the receiver to endure the sound is coming out of the proper speaker.

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Post by tlscapital » 14 Dec 2018 15:29

Pillows_of_Death wrote:
09 Dec 2018 20:21
New to the audio scene, I have a Kenwood KD-550 and Sansui speakers (non-powered) that were my dad's back in the 70's/80's and I want to have a good setup without breaking the bank. I've been looking at what equipment I'll need between the table and the speakers, any suggestions?

Nice turntable indeed. What tonearm is on it ?

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Post by Pillows_of_Death » 14 Dec 2018 19:58

I think it's the stock tonearm.

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Post by vinyl master » 15 Dec 2018 12:09

I'll agree with Tink, Pillows...The KR-3600 is a fine receiver...I have a KR-4400 that I also paid $50 for at my local Vintage Electronics Expo last January! Well worth every penny! =D>

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By the way, when I saw that 3600, I thought it would be right up your alley, esp. being on a budget and all! Kenwood made some really nice receivers back in the day, too! :D

Some De-Oxit in the potentiometers is a good thing...You might want to read up on it...This tutorial explains so much and I always recommend it to those just getting their first vintage receiver...

http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php? ... ed.207005/

I will also say that if it needs any more work, spending the $50, plus the cost of any repairs is a worthwhile investment...A few places to keep in mind, should you need any work either now or down the line...

http://genessoundservice.biz/
http://www.champlifier.com/
https://www.yelp.com/biz/novaks-music-t ... -francisco

Some stuff to keep in mind and $50 won't break the bank...I paid that much for my recent Pioneer SX-1500TD here and it's a perfect addition to my audio arsenal! :)

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I wrote about it here...

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... p?t=107376

Hopefully, in the new year, I will have some time and funds to take her in to the pros, so they can give her the proper treatment! The place I go to did such a great job on my Sansui that I want the same for the Pioneer! :)

If you want the Kenwood, though, I would be quick! I've lost some items by not being quick enough! Let us know how it all goes, too! [-o<

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