What Turntable is This?

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by Ajay Vee » 05 Aug 2019 03:04

Thanks for that tip. I will be taking the TT to my local electronics repair shop and make sure they understand what is needed.

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by spensar » 19 Sep 2019 13:52

Any ideas on this one? The usual semi-clear estate sale photo. The silver banding looks similar to some Garrards but have not seen a good match though.
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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by Japi Roelofs » 19 Sep 2019 14:04

That looks like a Philips 212 or 312.

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by Dadrepus » 19 Sep 2019 14:11

Yep, still have mine as a back-up. Solid manual table.

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by spensar » 19 Sep 2019 14:41

Awesome, thanks. Another bit of knowledge for the quiver.

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by Pauw » 19 Sep 2019 16:45

Japi Roelofs wrote:
19 Sep 2019 14:04
That looks like a Philips 212 or 312.
Yes I think you are right, it has the three touch buttons and the correct profile... :D

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by nat » 20 Sep 2019 01:07

A good sounding table. Nothing about is too prepossessing (other than the cat's eye switches, which are cool as all get out) but the design is very nicely balanced, and the result is surprisingly good. I did some experimentation once with replacing the belt with a loop of reel to reel tape (I didn't have the correct belt at the time), and was surprised at how good it sounded - non suspended subchassis belt drive tables can often be improved with stiffer belts (hence the kevlar thread tables), but I hadn't expected it with a suspended subchassis model.
Obviously the acoustic suspension must have been lessened, but it did sound really nice - solider than than expected, which made me rethink the role of the belt's compliance relative to platter inertia. With a really massive platter, a compliant belt will isolate and the inertia of the platter will overcome the differing drag of varying groove modulation (until it doesn't, which, if it were to happen, would lead to an extended period of chaos, which competent designers keep in mind). But with a light platter like that of the 212, more compliance might allow the platter to momentarily slow or speed up which makes the ear a little queasy - the 212 has a sort of flywheel pulley to minimize this possibility, but that compliance means the motor can't actually control the platter. This is not to suggest that you spend any time trying out stiffer belts, but that, if you do so, you may get some insight into what turntable designers have to work through.

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by Pauw » 20 Sep 2019 06:28

These are excellent tables for their level...I have had one for a while,I have set it up for 45 rpm play. They have one or two weaknesses....the power switch fails with time but is an easy fix. There is a cap in the power supply that fails with time again an easy fix.....The bulbs in the switches do blow but being a Dutch design the bulbs are 6.3V 50mA ones which are common bike lights.

The arm is simple be effective, it is best with high compliance cartridges . The rider wight can cause resonance problems so it is best to slide it back and add VTR using the counter weight.

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by paddypaws » 13 Oct 2019 12:24

Anyone know what these turntables are? They are from a nightclub near me called Ragamuffins in Camberley Surrey, from the late 70's.
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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by Chiltern » 13 Oct 2019 13:22

Garrard Zero 100S

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by circularvibes » 13 Oct 2019 13:29

That is a great period photo of a discoteque DJ booth except for the glaring problem. Everybody is dancing, the hall is packed... AND THERE IS NO RECORD ON EITHER PLATTER!! I see they were slip cueing as well.

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by paddypaws » 13 Oct 2019 14:28

There was a small stage at the far end of the venue, so they might have had a band in that night. Everyone seems to be looking in that direction. They replaced those Garrard decks (thanks!) in the early 80s with Technics SL-1200s with Ortofon concorde carts. Speakers were Bose 802s with a Bose sub.

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Re: What Turntable is This?

Post by paddypaws » 13 Oct 2019 14:41

This is what Ragamuffins looks like now. Left abandoned and empty for about 30 years. DJ booth on the right with small stage, I think, across the back.
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