Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

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Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

Post by lucius72 » 27 Mar 2018 01:29

I have the Denon DP-47F that it's an Ebay purchase and I have a few problems with the tonearm.First the tonearm wouldn't move but I've managed to fix this problem by spraying a solvent in the tonearm bearing as it seemed stuck. The only issue I have now is that the tonearm just drops on the vinyl after 5-6 seconds instead of slowly lowering the needle on the record. The same thing happens when the tonearm raises.Have anyone encountered this before and what can be the cause of it? Thanks.

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Re: Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

Post by quixcanardnon » 06 Jun 2018 16:19

I have one of these models with the same problem. Anyone else ever seen/diagnosed this? Can't find another thread with this issue.

I have balanced the arm with the counterweight, then set tracking correctly, and when the stylus is in down position, its tracking force does measure correct. But it won't lower slowly, it just hovers for several seconds then just dives onto the record surface.

I have the service manual and none of the listed adjustments cover this so it suggests to me that some weight or spring screw is just wiggled wrong somewhere.

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Re: Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

Post by quixcanardnon » 10 Jun 2018 02:49

Having done more experimentation with the counterweight and the spring screw on the tonearm, it appears that this issue is really a problem with the vertical lifter servo/motor/mechanism/circuit. Essentially everything works except the tonearm won't raise or lower gently, it only jumps up or down. So whatever mechanism is supposed to provide the gentle damping ain't working.

Anyone have insight on how to investigate further? Thanks!

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Re: Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

Post by captmark » 11 Jun 2018 09:13

Do you want the bad news or the bad news? You "might" get lucky and have a loose or broken wire on the servo circuit between the main PCB and the arm PCB. If so, play the lotto-it's RARELY that easy...the problem is usually much deeper into the beast.

Your problem(s) are most likely what is shown in the attached pictures. There are two coils in a housing that control vertical motion of the arm, one for the lifter and the other for the servo control that also handles the VTF. The image (IMG0694) not installed in the arm shows a healthy set up with all four wires attached to the corresponding wires you see coming out of the bottom of the arm and attaching to the small PCB board that also houses the CDS Sensors. IMG0695 (in the arm) is what you most likely have going on-one of those wires has broken off the connection.

It is accessible without pulling the whole arm out, but small consolation. It is a PITD - bearings and wires and plates oh my have to come loose. The wire is incredibly fragile and obviously brittle to have broken. You'll need the luck of the Irish if there's enough wire left and the patience of Job to try to reconnect it.

It is "easier" to swap the whole assembly for another; DP35-47 and I think even 61/65's have the same internal coil set up, but if you prefer to swap the whole arm (EASIER!)only the 47F arm works with the 47, mostly because of the shared VTF/Anti-skate/servo wired on one knob verses two knob set ups, but either way you're talking donor table and doing this twice. I wish you the best of luck.
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Re: Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

Post by darthep » 28 Jun 2018 23:13

Same Problems Here. Just Bought A DP-47F From eBay.

All Works Great, Except For The Annoying Heavy Drop Of The Tonearm Onto The Record. Both Raising & Lowering Of Tonearm Are Fast & Abrupt. Adjustments Have Been Made Numerous Times According To Owner's Manual & Internet Forum Posts.

I Would Like To Repair This, And Your Post Is A Good Starting Point. Thank You For Letting The Community Know.

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Re: Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

Post by mauser99 » 29 Jun 2018 17:53

I just acquired a Denon turntable and im having a similar issue. No up or down action on the toe arm and it seems to be spring loaded in the up position.

This is a great forum for getting to the bottom of all these issues.

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Re: Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

Post by darthep » 06 Jul 2018 14:21

Thanks For All Of Your Help, Mark!

I Was Able To Disassemble The ToneArm, And Assess The Coil Connectivity. There Was Indeed A Small Break In The Tiny Coil Wire On The "Violet" Side, Which Was Carefully Re-Soldered And Tested For Continuity.

The Tonearm Now Lifts Gradually As Expected, However The "Drop" To The Record Surface Still Exists. So, While This Shows To Be An Improvement, Could There Be A Faulty Capacitor Requiring Replacement?

Very Respectfully,
Eric

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Re: Denon DP-47F tonearm issue.

Post by captmark » 07 Jul 2018 09:20

Are you able to get any change in the DVM reading adjusting the lifter op amp per the service manual PG 11 (TP5/VR3)? If not then you still have an open-it usually reads something crazy like 3 or 4 volts and turning the VR does nothing towards zeroing it out when this is the case. I've noticed you can still adjust the horizontal op amp when the condition exists. VR3 will do the same thing after a fresh recap so I would say that's probably not the cause. Did you check continuity of the other wires on the coil? You can check out at the arm board-you don't "have" to tear it all apart, but I'm afraid you may have to if you find a problem here... If you do disconnect the arm board from the main PCB and see if the issue goes away. If so your arm is OK and your fun is just beginning...IC7/IC5 IC Trouble... :-) Good Luck Sir!

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