Same release, different B-side?

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Same release, different B-side?

Post by mvno_subscriber » 03 Dec 2019 09:18

As part of trying to date my record collection, I was looking up what seemed to be this release: https://www.discogs.com/Berliner-Harmon ... e/12568756

The first side matches perfectly with the image on Discogs, the matrix number is the same. However, according to Discogs the second side is "Heil Europa", where mine is "Mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern":
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Annoyingly, only the first side is images on Discogs. My question is thus: could Discogs be wrong? Or are there two almost identical looking but different releases? If so, was this a common occurrence? Can I assume they were released the same year?

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by bernard1 » 03 Dec 2019 15:23

Your question is interesting, and sure some people here will answer you, but have you ask on Discogs forum ? I think it's the best place for this discussion. Not blaming you for asking here, though.

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by circularvibes » 03 Dec 2019 16:49

In the 78 era many times manufacturers would change the A and B side pairings. Victor in North America was famous for this especially when reissuing sides from the single sided disc era. It may have been because the other B side stamper was damaged or for promotional reasons or any odd reason that could be thought of.

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by Bob Dillon » 03 Dec 2019 17:48

Probably just a different coupling for that particular release, no biggie. It's a common occurrance in those days.

The Discogs one has a different catalog # than yours.

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by AsOriginallyRecorded » 03 Dec 2019 19:21

I have experienced similar "mix ups" on more contemporary records, from wrong album in purchased jacket, alternate versions than that listed, to missing labels on albums. All part of the human element of manufacturing and packaging, creating an interesting collectible status for the album. Perhaps you should view this as an opportunity to track down a copy of the album as shown on Discogs? Availability has been determined for you already as a bonus. :wink:

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by vinyl master » 03 Dec 2019 20:48

There was a Dave Brubeck Quartet 45' I bought recently for "On The Alamo" with "Here Lies Love" on the b-side...There was a similar record I bought, too, that same day of "On The Alamo" with "Don't Worry 'Bout Me" on the b-side...I'm sure this was commonplace on many records, even on those 78's...And I'm sure some releases are rarer than others!

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by mvno_subscriber » 04 Dec 2019 08:54

I'll just assume it's a snafu then. It's interesting, but I get the notion it's more interesting to others.. so maybe I should exploit the situation and ask if anyone would like to trade it? :P

The tunes didn't resonate much with me, and I'd love to make some swap buddies. :lol:

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The Discogs one has a different catalog # than yours.
Where do you see the catalog number? Here are both sides of the record:
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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by Bob Dillon » 04 Dec 2019 11:44

The catalog # is on the bottom of the label. Though I'll admit I'm a little unsure of what numbering method is being used here. Odeon was an international label that issued masters from a number of different labels, be it Parlophone, Beka, etc. under it's imprimatur.

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by mvno_subscriber » 04 Dec 2019 12:51

A-45472 and A-45473, wouldn't that typically be the first and second side of the record?

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by Bob Dillon » 04 Dec 2019 17:59

I guess so. The one has O-2466 a on it. I've gotten mixed up flipping between photos, websites, and German titles. :) Sometimes on these labels the matrix # scribed in the deadwax will be printed on the label with the catalog # and sometimes not. I don't have much info on hand that doesn't relate to Odeon's U.S. branch.

As noted above, for a 78 single to be issued with a different coupling is not all that rare. A snafu would more appropriately be a A side label on the B side or vic versa, the same label on both sides or something along those lines.

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Re: Same release, different B-side?

Post by AudioFeline » 10 Dec 2019 01:59

It is possible that one is a latter release of the original.
Were the disks pressed in different countries?
Another explanation - purely speculative - is that different b-sides could have been pressed in different pressing plants for different markets.

One of the frustrating things about being interested in these disks is that so much information has been lost.

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