Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

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Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by _ITX_ » 19 Nov 2019 16:15

I inherited the old shellac record collection from my great grandmother, and made the fatal mistake of playing some of them with a standard vinyl needle. Luckily for me, this only happened like 3 times and I think I didn't damage the records or the needle too much with it. But, since I really want to listen to these old gems, I started looking out for a decent 78 cartridge. I found a bunch of them, but they all range right below or even above 100€ (~110$). So my question is: Are there any viable solutions around the 50$ mark? TIA, ITX


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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by Sunwire » 19 Nov 2019 18:13

What kind of cartridge do you have now?
LLEgar sells 78 rpm needles for many popular cartridges.
https://www.lpgear.com/category/78STYL. ... disp_order

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by bernard1 » 19 Nov 2019 18:52

Curiously, despite you put 78 in your research, your link goes to the At95E which is not suited for the shellac.

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by Bob Dillon » 19 Nov 2019 18:57

bernard1 wrote:
19 Nov 2019 18:52
Curiously, despite you put 78 in your research, your link goes to the At95E which is not suited for the shellac.
Silly me, you're right. [-X I don't know why I thought I was looking at the 78 rpm version of that cart. Well, you can get this : https://www.lpgear.com/product/AT9578.html I

I've bought a number of different 78 rpm styli and things from LP Gear and they've all been good. Your 35 dollars will probably go a long way here.

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by _ITX_ » 20 Nov 2019 06:04

Sunwire wrote:
19 Nov 2019 18:13
What kind of cartridge do you have now?
LLEgar sells 78 rpm needles for many popular cartridges.
https://www.lpgear.com/category/78STYL. ... disp_order
Ortofon Concorde Mix, but the MKII sadly which is not compatible with the Ortofon 78 adaptor (or at least I was told so). However, LP Gear lists 2 seperate 78 stylii for the Ortofon Concorde:

https://www.lpgear.com/product/ORS078.html

https://www.lpgear.com/product/ORS078LP.html

Maybe the latter is compatible...? I don't know, I'm really confused rn :?:

I should probably just get a proper Audio Technica 78 cartridge and forget about the Ortofon. I didn't know there were that many different models to choose from (the german Amazon maybe has 2 or 3 different ones). The cheaper ones should more than suffice for my purpose! :)

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by Bob Dillon » 20 Nov 2019 17:52

_ITX_ wrote:
20 Nov 2019 06:04

Ortofon Concorde Mix, but the MKII sadly which is not compatible with the Ortofon 78 adaptor (or at least I was told so). However, LP Gear lists 2 seperate 78 stylii for the Ortofon Concorde:

https://www.lpgear.com/product/ORS078.html

https://www.lpgear.com/product/ORS078LP.html

Maybe the latter is compatible...? I don't know, I'm really confused rn :?:

I should probably just get a proper Audio Technica 78 cartridge and forget about the Ortofon. I didn't know there were that many different models to choose from (the german Amazon maybe has 2 or 3 different ones). The cheaper ones should more than suffice for my purpose! :)
Those are both to fit the OM series Ortofon carts. I'm not sure if they would work with a Concorde.

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by wblynch » 20 Nov 2019 19:39

I have the $35 AT9578 from LP Gear. They also sell it at LP Tunes. It works great. There is no need to have a super magical cartridge as there isn’t all that much high fidelity there.

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by Bob Dillon » 20 Nov 2019 19:56

wblynch wrote:
20 Nov 2019 19:39
There is no need
I wouldn't say that unequivocally. But for someone who just wants to play through Grandma's old records, I bet that 35 dollar LP Gear cart will work just fine. Cantilever looks robust and it's got 3.0 mil tip. That's a good median tip size.

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by Kashofa » 22 Nov 2019 19:42

I have a few Shure M75s. Like others I’m an lpgear shopper. Their 78 stylus for these is $42 and I’m running that on my Dual. However to buy that cart used and new stylus puts you up at the $75-80 mark. I’m also using a Grado 78C on an AT-LP120. IMO the Grado sounds better overall, but the Shure sounds very enjoyable and because of the Dual auto shutoff I play it more often.

I agree that if you just want to try out some 78s and aren’t committed to them yet, that AT9578 is a great option. But if you are certain you will want to keep them around and want to get them to sound a bit better you should up your budget to that $90 Grado or above mark.


BTW, I really find it impossible for me to share back and forth between 33 and 78 setups on a turntable. The changes to cartridge, stylus, tracking are too much effort. If you stick with playing 78s regularly you will eventually want a dedicated turntable. Just be forewarned. ;)

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by wblynch » 22 Nov 2019 20:25

I have an M75 as well and contemplated buying the 78 stylus for it. But went for the AT-9578 option.

Most of my 78s are pre 1925 and sound pretty faint I don't think the M75 would help.

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Re: Affordable cartridge for shellacs?

Post by Bob Dillon » 23 Nov 2019 01:34

Kashofa wrote:
22 Nov 2019 19:42


BTW, I really find it impossible for me to share back and forth between 33 and 78 setups on a turntable. The changes to cartridge, stylus, tracking are too much effort. If you stick with playing 78s regularly you will eventually want a dedicated turntable. Just be forewarned. ;)
A "DJ" headshell that has holes for dropping in adding weights helps - the nicer ones have weights that screw in. I have four cartridges on seperate headshells for 78 duty and use weights to even out the VTF. It's no biggie once you've committed to memory what weight goes with which. I don't worry about anti-skate settings with 78's.

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