Do you use different pickups for playing 45's?

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Do you use different pickups for playing 45's?

Post by Buckdog » 31 Mar 2011 08:35

I collect mostly LP's but recently a relative handed me a stack of about sixty 45's. Some are a mess. The 45's got stuck near the floor of a garage and some got heavily water damaged. Others came out near mint.

There is a thread here where some folks explained that some 45's were actually better sound engineered than the original source LP's.

The few I was able to get clean seemed to play very well but I noticed a big difference from label to label, even in the mint ones. The "Amen" recording by Otis Redding on ATCO Records isnt that scratchy but seems to be a terrible recording while the "Stay in My Corner" by The Dells on Cadet Records is kinda tore up but the dynamics jump out at you.

I'd like to know how folks here set up their TT's and pickups preferences to play 45's.

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Post by Dadimo » 01 Apr 2011 22:42

I play my 7 inch 45s on the same table I play my 12 inch Lps on ( I only own one table..) I am thinking about picking up an old changer, then I can make playlist stacks. 8)

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Post by mysticfred » 03 Apr 2011 07:12

Some 45's i bought over the last few months were play-tested on my Linn if in ex+ condition and cleaned, every detail and speck of dust was fully revealed, great sound, though generally i stack them up on my restored record player with its more suitable stylus. 8)


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Post by Buckdog » 06 Apr 2011 08:48

Thanx all. I'm looking forward to adding a couple of new pickups to the collection within the next few months. I'd like to play around with needle setups to see what happens. Obviously a rainy Sunday kind of thing.

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Playing 45"s.

Post by Hugues TR4 » 06 Apr 2011 10:38

Hi,
I've got about a thousand 45's in my collection, which I occasionnally listen to through two TT's connected to a small mixing table (TTI).
This set up is also very handy if I want to record a tape or a cassette to listen to in the car or have good continuous background music to play during evenings.
For very damaged ones (badly wharped) I still have an old Perpetuum Ebner with crystal cart and sapphire needle with an arm heavy enough to stay in the grooves during playing. These are unfortunately rare records and it is the only way to keep playing them.
The later stereo ones can be played without problems on my TD 166 and 146 as well as on my Dual 1019, with quite good litening pleasure.

Cheers,

Hugh.

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Post by KentT » 24 Apr 2011 00:37

I use my Technics SP-25 with Audio-Technica ATP-16T tonearm and I use the Stanton 681A cartridge with conical stylus for 45 playback.

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Post by jmailand » 24 Apr 2011 18:28

If you have a removable headshell turntable you can change the dimensions on the Conrad Hoffman Template to minimize the tracking distortion on a 7", then set up a cartridge for just 45 play. The same can be done for 10" records also.

7"dia / 2 = 3.5"rad
3.5" x 25.4 (mm per inch) = 89.8 mm outer radius.

http://conradhoffman.com/chsw.htm

Though its not a sexy choice I use a Shure M35 for both 45 and 78 play, with styli for each. I played with the distortion tracking distortion calculator on this site to get a good compromise between 7" and 10" then key the values into the Hoffman calculator.

https://www.vinylengine.com/tonearm_ali ... ulator.php

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Segregated To A Separate Turntable

Post by harveytchao » 26 May 2011 02:30

Just about all the 45s are "2nd copies" of something on a 33 1/3 LP. The LPs get played on the Denon 75/Shure 800e. The 45s go into the wife's Seeburg Y160 juke box that has a gray dual needle "Seeburg" cartridge (Pickering?).

Although - most 45s that come into the house are used, they get cleaned and played on the Denon once or so, then shuttled to the Juke.

By the way, in the SF South Bay area, in San Jose is "Big Al's Record Barn"- a treasure trove of used vinyl - 33 and 45 at $5 and $2 each respectively. TONS of stuff. Often multiple copies to choose from/pick the best copy.

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Post by zenith2134 » 09 Jun 2011 22:09

Cool finds.

Personally I simply swap out the stylus unit on my Ortofon 40 for an om-10 standard elliptical...The Fritz Geiger on the 40 is the WRONG choice for 1950s 45's.! Even the tip on the -10 is probably too small.

Anyway, in the garage system I have a very old Garrard changer type table with a mono pickering MC...was a neighbor's who passed away... The table needs help but the pickup is good and would be ideal for my 45's. One day.

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Re: Do you use different pickups for playing 45's?

Post by KentT » 19 Aug 2019 14:04

Ortofon OM Pro S, is correct for mono 45 RPM singles, track at 2 grams.

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Re: Do you use different pickups for playing 45's?

Post by DL110luvr » 20 Aug 2019 08:11

Denon DL-110 for LP's.......Audio-Technica AT-95E for 45's.....A/T VM95SP for 78's........
Works for me......:)

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Re: Segregated To A Separate Turntable

Post by tlscapital » 01 Sep 2019 11:19

harveytchao wrote:
26 May 2011 02:30
Just about all the 45s are "2nd copies" of something on a 33 1/3 LP.
It was the other way around until the "concept" album came into the 'POP' world where it was already the archetype in the Jazz LP world years ahead... The LP was always the "vinyl" format to acquire for those with the budget.

Before that, the 45's generally pre-dated the release of a forthcoming LP if any. To get the release of an LP on a major label with enough exposure, promotion and distribution; one had first to break through with a hit single.

That or to be lucky enough to meet a major record company representative whose policy in "promoting" something new could help to give at least some credibility to the label into the more "discerning" musical critics circles.

Since I collect and listen to American sixties and seventies (mostly non-hit, obscure and "underground") 'SOUL' music where the LP is not 'king' amongst the collectors, I know that this differs to most other collectors who favor LP's.

And even though there are few exceptions in the sixties, the phenomenon reached higher proportion in the seventies with artists and bands (not always pro) putting all their money into a self-produced LP on a label of their own...

As for my playback quality time, anytime of the day my original 45's dynamic will smoke out any LP (original or not) featuring the same tunes. But my phono set-up to be honest is build-up for my 45's, although it's LP's compliant ;)

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Re: Do you use different pickups for playing 45's?

Post by tubesaurus » 04 Sep 2019 10:12

for 7" I prefer ceramic cartridges. I tested some different types, Dual, Telefunken and so on, and because they are becomming older now the sound is often not that what it was.
Than I found some newer ceramic pickups , from Japan, and the derivatives from China, like Nivico DT51 or CEC CZ800.
The reason is, that ceramic pickups easily fit to old radios , tube radios, and in juke boxes with tube amps, because this tube amps are designed for ceramic pickups.

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Re: Do you use different pickups for playing 45's?

Post by KentT » 21 Sep 2019 01:48

I prefer magnetic cartridges (preferably USA broadcast models like the Shure M 44-7) with .7 mil conical styli. I like the Audio-Technica AT 3600L a lot, and the Ortofon OM Pro S and OM1s or OM5s.

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Re: Do you use different pickups for playing 45's?

Post by J. S. Bach » 04 Oct 2019 20:58

I use the same cart for all my records; Shure M97-Xe.

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