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Celestion Ditton 110

Postby Hugues TR4 » 08 Oct 2017 11:17

Hi All,

Found an ad on my local 2nd Hand network for a pair of Celestion Ditton 110 speakers.
Heard good things about them, but never heard them.
I'd like an advice on their sound value and possible comparison with my KEF Chorale or Marantz HD400.
Thanks a lot in advance for your usual help.
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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby paul401 » 09 Oct 2017 00:18

HI,
not heard the 110's, but several other Celestions, including some of the smaller designs. Celestion were good at making very usable, good sounding (imho) speakers. Speakers are very personal, so hard to advise more, but I have a few pairs, closest would be the Celestion 3's, small 2way design, picked them up cheap but kept them as I liked the sound.

Let us know if you get them/what you think of them?

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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby Tarzan » 15 Oct 2017 10:53

Hugues TR4 wrote:Hi All,

Found an ad on my local 2nd Hand network for a pair of Celestion Ditton 110 speakers.
Heard good things about them, but never heard them.
I'd like an advice on their sound value and possible comparison with my KEF Chorale or Marantz HD400.
Thanks a lot in advance for your usual help.
Cheers,

Hugh.


I have the Celestion 120, which l use on occasion, they are very, very musical which throw an impressive soundstage and are full sounding, l like them a lot.
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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby Hugues TR4 » 15 Oct 2017 11:15

Thanks Paul and Tarzan for your kind input!
I do realize that sound is an extremely personal matter, but some speaker makes seem to be more popular than others amongst audiophiles, and I only wanted to get a few opinions on these ones.
For instance I once heard that the British made speakers were better suited to our European ears, and I have to agree that I like their sound better than the Japanese.

Thanks again,

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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby vfmarky » 24 Oct 2017 03:25

Recently a friend gave me a pair of Celestion Ditton 250 three way speakers. They're rated at 80 watts, will they take some driving as I've yet to try them out...
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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby paul401 » 24 Oct 2017 21:24

Hi,

they are quite efficient speakers (90db), which means they will sound quite loud for a given input level.
So you could use them with say a 20 watt amp and get reasonable sound/listening levels, room size and your preferred 'listening levels' will have some impact on this! The important part is not to overdrive the amp, this will cause 'clipping' which is not good and can quickly damage a speaker, especially tweeters.
The given power handling for a speaker, is in real terms, more of a guide figure, you could for example run them with a 100 watt or even 200watt amp, but just keep the volume control in check.
In short, don't overdrive the amp, don't overdrive the speakers! :)
Just use some care and if you start to hear distortion then ease back on the throttle.

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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby Hugues TR4 » 24 Oct 2017 21:46

Thanks Paul for your tips.
Since my listening room is not big, and I'm using a 2 X 35 watt amp, I don't think I run too much a risk of overdriving.
I've never tried pushing the KEF Chorale I'm listening to at the moment over 1/2 power and everything sounds fine. This thread was just to try and get some comparison with what I'm using now.
The KEF Chorale sound better than the Marantz, would the Celestion override te KEF?
Thanks in advance for any input.
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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby paul401 » 25 Oct 2017 21:19

Hello Hugh,

glad you found the info helpful, it was aimed in part at the post from 'vfmarky', though in fact the 110's are 90.5db efficient so my reply still applies and your response gives it some real world support based on actual use of amps and speakers. :)

As to your question would the Celestions be better than the Kefs? The Chorales were good speakers, the originals date from the early 70's, they have a very flat frequency response, some more info here:
http://insidehifi.blogspot.co.uk/2012/0 ... orale.html
Celestions are late 70's/early 80's, have a higher power rating, and probably sound fine. Having not heard either it's impossible to say with any certainty, but it would seem the Chorales were at the time a quality speaker and I see they fetch good prices on auction sites, much higher than the Celestions, so that might be some guide/indication.

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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby Hugues TR4 » 25 Oct 2017 22:51

Thank you Paul,
The KEF Chorale I've repaired (and refurbished visually as well) still have their original crossovers with the original "Elcap" grey capacitors. These look prime, although they are 55 years old...
Would it make a real difference if I tried replacing them by fresh modern caps of same values?
Not too difficult to do, providing I find the right size...
Thanks again for your help,

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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby paul401 » 26 Oct 2017 23:29

Hi,

it's fairly common to suggest replacing caps, they can and do drift off original value over time, though by how much can depend on quality and type of construction. Many who do re-cap report that the sound is 'improved' becoming clearer and more detailed - more like the original sound when the speakers were new - this is what would be expected, but I have seen the odd report of the 'new' sound changing the character of the speaker and being less good.

Without measuring equipment it is hard to know if and how far from original spec the caps might be, but new caps shouldn't be too expensive, so worth trying. Make sure to get the same value, (though a higher voltage rating is ok). Polypropylene caps are a good choice, have seen the Solen brand mentioned as reasonable re price/quality.

I've never done this myself (yet) but have a pair of B&O S45-II speakers that I think would be worth trying a re-cap on at some point.

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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby Hugues TR4 » 27 Oct 2017 08:50

Thank you Paul for your input and advice.
Will consider changing the caps this coming winter.
Will report about results.

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Re: Celestion Ditton 110

Postby paul401 » 27 Oct 2017 13:43

Hello,

I think it would be worth trying Hugh, certainly plan to have a go at the B&O's, - next year sometime.
I found info on caps etc. online and also a couple of articles by guys who had already done the re- cap on the B&O's, which also had some useful pics. Might be worth a search re the Chorales, they were popular, so may well be that someone has already had a go and posted advice/results.

Let us know how it all goes - as and when!

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