Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

amplifiers, receivers and loudspeakers
Post Reply
Tinkaroo
vinyl addict
vinyl addict
Canada
Posts: 7507
Joined: 04 Feb 2011 20:00
Location: Pixie Hollow by The Bay

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by Tinkaroo » 15 Jul 2019 12:40

Those speakers sound intriguing Alec! 8)

They also sound like they are big and heavy so I hope you have some help moving them around. #-o

vinyl master
vinyl engineer
vinyl engineer
United States of America
Posts: 20396
Joined: 01 Nov 2013 05:27

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by vinyl master » 15 Jul 2019 12:44

Great find, Alec...When it comes to looking for a Watson or two, you're like a Sherlock Holmes, my friend! :wink:

Keep us posted on these beauties! :D

fscl
vinyl addict
vinyl addict
United States of America
Posts: 7742
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 07:51
Location: CT, US

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by fscl » 15 Jul 2019 13:28

Alec124c41 wrote:
15 Jul 2019 04:08
Free. Half a tank of gas. :)
Yes, they will take quite a bit of work to restore. I just hope that all the parts are still salvageable.

Cheers,
Alec
Congratulations and good luck. =D>

Very interesting design, the use of sulfur hexafluoride for the woofer enclosure...... :shock:

Let us know how the restoration is going.

Fred

lenjack
long player
long player
Posts: 2171
Joined: 23 Jun 2017 02:11
Location: Liverpool,PA

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by lenjack » 15 Jul 2019 14:39

Terrific project, evenif it doesn't pan out.

LN Cree
member
member
Netherlands
Posts: 31
Joined: 24 Dec 2017 18:51
Location: Easterwood city, NB

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by LN Cree » 15 Jul 2019 15:55

LN Cree wrote:
11 Jul 2019 15:10
Hmmm I tend to think of something else when i think of a nice rack....
Anyway, i picked up an Akai AP-306 for €17 including shipping costs the guy said it works but the arm was broken off. From the pics it looked ok so I took the chance. And when it arrived i tested it and the speeds were good and all the rest was in good shape including the base and all the innards. So I fit a spare arm i had laying around. And low and behold got a primo turntable for real cheap that sounds good too! Then picked up a beat up AP-100 with a good arm so that's going on next. Then it'll be pretty much like original.
Ok here’s with the correct arm now it’s back to original. :-)
Attachments
8DB5417E-C948-42D3-ABBF-A16E52AF337E.jpeg
(269.43 KiB) Downloaded 170 times
41B47EDD-3BBC-4325-8D3C-4A3A8EFAA8BE.jpeg
(205.05 KiB) Downloaded 168 times

Sunwire
long player
long player
United States of America
Posts: 2090
Joined: 07 Oct 2004 21:54
Location: New York

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by Sunwire » 15 Jul 2019 18:36

Alec124c41 wrote:
14 Jul 2019 23:13
Today I drove 2 hours each way, to pick up a pair of free speakers.
They are Watson Labs Model 10s, in need of a lot of TLC. I have them in the back of my SUV, hoping to bake them in the sun, to dry out. They haven't been used in 20 years, and I don't know how long they were in that damp garage.
There are 10 drivers in each side, condition unknown. Some have come loose from their mounts. All are behind grill cloth that was stapled down around the structures, so I haven't even seen them, yet.
I'm quite stoked. These were $3000 a pair, 40 years ago, and it took me 30 years to get my hands on a pair, so I knew what I was going for would be worth putting some work into.

Cheers,
Alec
You're a brave man, Alec! :)
I never knew Dayton-Wright made moving coil speakers. I heard a pair of their electrostatics back around 1980. Some of the strangest speakers ever made, that I know about.

Filled with sulfer hexaflouride (SF6), an inert dielectric gas that prevents arcing in the electrostatic elements. Unlike helium, SF6 is heavier than air and quite resistant to diffusing through the polyethylene speaker envelope.

Listening conditions were such that I couldn't judge the sound quality.

spensar
senior member
senior member
Canada
Posts: 779
Joined: 04 May 2014 02:40

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by spensar » 15 Jul 2019 18:54

LN Cree wrote:
15 Jul 2019 15:55
Ok here’s with the correct arm now it’s back to original. :-)
Good looking AP-306, and nice job on the arm swap outs. That era quartz lock direct drive should be good reliable spinner.

Alec124c41
vinyl engineer
vinyl engineer
Canada
Posts: 23196
Joined: 28 Oct 2002 03:24
Location: North of Toronto, Canada

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by Alec124c41 » 15 Jul 2019 20:56

Sunwire wrote:
15 Jul 2019 18:36
Alec124c41 wrote:
14 Jul 2019 23:13
Today I drove 2 hours each way, to pick up a pair of free speakers.
They are Watson Labs Model 10s, in need of a lot of TLC. I have them in the back of my SUV, hoping to bake them in the sun, to dry out. They haven't been used in 20 years, and I don't know how long they were in that damp garage.
There are 10 drivers in each side, condition unknown. Some have come loose from their mounts. All are behind grill cloth that was stapled down around the structures, so I haven't even seen them, yet.
I'm quite stoked. These were $3000 a pair, 40 years ago, and it took me 30 years to get my hands on a pair, so I knew what I was going for would be worth putting some work into.

Cheers,
Alec
You're a brave man, Alec! :)
I never knew Dayton-Wright made moving coil speakers. I heard a pair of their electrostatics back around 1980. Some of the strangest speakers ever made, that I know about.

Filled with sulfer hexaflouride (SF6), an inert dielectric gas that prevents arcing in the electrostatic elements. Unlike helium, SF6 is heavier than air and quite resistant to diffusing through the polyethylene speaker envelope.

Listening conditions were such that I couldn't judge the sound quality.
Dayton Wright got bought by Leigh-Marsland, who took everything from the factory and offices in Richmond Hill to London, against the wishes of Wm. Mike Wright. After some disagreement, Mike left the company.
He set up Watson Labs to make speakers, but could not make electrostatics. The Model 10s were the result.
I was mistaken when I claimed that there were 10 drivers in each. There are only 9, plus the bag of SO6 in the bass cabinet.
I will continue this in a new thread.

Cheers,
Alec

lenjack
long player
long player
Posts: 2171
Joined: 23 Jun 2017 02:11
Location: Liverpool,PA

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by lenjack » 15 Jul 2019 21:43

Can you replace the gas, if needed. Don't think Amazon carries it. :lol:

Alec124c41
vinyl engineer
vinyl engineer
Canada
Posts: 23196
Joined: 28 Oct 2002 03:24
Location: North of Toronto, Canada

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by Alec124c41 » 15 Jul 2019 23:56

The SO2 is a fairly heavy gas, not prone to leaking. The bags inside the fiberglass are not flat or slack, although they are a little smaller than I expected to find.
I suspect that these speakers would still be decent enough without it, but it undoubtedly adds ton the bass response.

Cheers,
Alec

lenjack
long player
long player
Posts: 2171
Joined: 23 Jun 2017 02:11
Location: Liverpool,PA

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by lenjack » 16 Jul 2019 14:30

OK, but can you obtain more, if you want to?

fscl
vinyl addict
vinyl addict
United States of America
Posts: 7742
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 07:51
Location: CT, US

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by fscl » 17 Jul 2019 17:33

lenjack wrote:
16 Jul 2019 14:30
OK, but can you obtain more, if you want to?
Seems fairly accessible



Fred

Adamo0926
senior member
senior member
United States of America
Posts: 533
Joined: 26 Feb 2011 03:22
Location: Connecticut

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by Adamo0926 » 18 Jul 2019 04:03

My friend earlier today found some guy selling a Sansui Seven for, egads, 75.00. He immediately emailed the guy and said I will pay your asking price. Have not heard if he got to the guy soon enough before someone else scooped it up. I've got my fingers crossed....

tcolegrove
senior member
senior member
United States of America
Posts: 354
Joined: 10 Apr 2013 17:26
Location: Menomonee Falls, WI
Contact:

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by tcolegrove » 18 Jul 2019 14:40

Adamo0926 wrote:
18 Jul 2019 04:03
My friend earlier today found some guy selling a Sansui Seven for, egads, 75.00. He immediately emailed the guy and said I will pay your asking price. Have not heard if he got to the guy soon enough before someone else scooped it up. I've got my fingers crossed....
Reminds me when I saw a Craigslist ad for a pair of Speakerlab Super-7's for $100 (if you're not familiar with Speakerlab - Google them!). I asked him to call me, and when he did he said someone already said they were interested in them. I offered $200 and ended up taking home a pair that were in absolutely pristine condition! After enjoying them for a couple years I flipped them for $400.

Sometimes it's about speed and craftiness. :)

Adamo0926
senior member
senior member
United States of America
Posts: 533
Joined: 26 Feb 2011 03:22
Location: Connecticut

Re: Cheap-Skates & Dumpster Diver's Club

Post by Adamo0926 » 18 Jul 2019 16:26

tcolegrove wrote:
18 Jul 2019 14:40
Adamo0926 wrote:
18 Jul 2019 04:03
My friend earlier today found some guy selling a Sansui Seven for, egads, 75.00. He immediately emailed the guy and said I will pay your asking price. Have not heard if he got to the guy soon enough before someone else scooped it up. I've got my fingers crossed....
Reminds me when I saw a Craigslist ad for a pair of Speakerlab Super-7's for $100 (if you're not familiar with Speakerlab - Google them!). I asked him to call me, and when he did he said someone already said they were interested in them. I offered $200 and ended up taking home a pair that were in absolutely pristine condition! After enjoying them for a couple years I flipped them for $400.

Sometimes it's about speed and craftiness. :)
I just checked them out.....that was sweet getting those for 200.00 ! I can't believe my friend might get his hands on that Sansui Seven for 75.00....I just paid 400.00 for my Sansui Eight, and judging from the prices on Ebay and elsewhere even 400.00 is a bit of a bargain. A bargain for the Seven seems like around 225.00 to 250.00....and I saw several that sold for well about that.

Post Reply