Bearing oil replacement

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by gwernaffield » 04 Dec 2018 21:44

try some zx1 extralube c75 in the bottle with the needle off eBay , but make sure you have the adjustable power supply first , it has a friction eliminator mixed in , you can either mix it with the oil mobil1 or use it as it is, it works a treat , does not contain ptfe ,

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by blakep » 10 Dec 2018 20:27

Tarzan wrote:
20 Nov 2018 12:25

How did you get on BlakeP?
Received the Audio Origami Oil about a week ago now that the Canadian Postal Strike has ended (still waiting on 2 other international packages that were sent 7 weeks ago :( ) and finally got around to doing the oil change about 2 days ago.

I am actually a bit surprised but there has been a noticeable improvement in sound quality. I would say my results here are pretty consistent with the PFM member who posted/reviewed a number of years ago-see below. An overall cleaning up of the sound, better separation/clarity with both instruments and voices and an improvement in bass definition.

Definitely noticeable. At about $22 Cnd for a couple of small vials of oil it is not cheap but I would recommend it based on my experience. I might actually be able to squeeze 4 oil changes out of that amount with my Gyro. It will without a doubt do 3 with a bit of leftover oil for me to lubricate the AC motor on my Gyrodec with, which I am interested in trying out as well.

Was going to do the "spin test" pre and post installation of the AO oil but forgot. But there is no question that it is very, very slippery. Seems to be thinner than what I was using before (Amsoil 0W-40 Four Stroke) which is probably a good thing with the inverted bearing on the Gyro.

Without doubt it has upped the ante in terms of actual lubrication. My Gyro is a bit of an antique with the original AC motor and I operate it off a variable output transformer (this was an idea I picked up from Harry Weisfeld at VPI who used to do the same thing with Empire tables that he owned) and dial the voltage down following start up a la Linn Lingo/VPI SDS. With the Amsoil, I could dial down from 115 V at startup to around 60 V. Going below that would result in the platter slowing and stopping but with the AO oil I can actually dial down into the very low 50's with the platter continuing to rotate properly. So its advertised lubrication qualities are indeed superior in this case.

So far so good.

https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads ... il.131588/

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by Tarzan » 12 Dec 2018 10:53

I am not going mad then...…... :mrgreen:

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by alevans51 » 21 Jan 2019 04:45

Labelle 108 synthetic. Working well. Light. Made for this type environment. Bearing housing was sprayed out with brake cleaner at change. Interval: 11 years, one year late. It was working but ready for a change.

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by gwernaffield » 27 Jan 2019 12:31

i use a mix of mobil1 and zx1 extra lube , it is a friction reducer not ptfe , seems to work great in the michell, as you have to adjust the speed when first used, after that it is great stuff to use lowers the rumble off the bearing , cannot say any more

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by watchnerd » 12 Oct 2019 18:50

If folks are wary of motor oil, what about sewing machine oil?

That's more or less what gets used in my reel to reel tape decks.

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by gwernaffield » 13 Oct 2019 15:17

well i taked to Michell ( jonathan Nye ) who said get some mobil 1 fully synthetic oil 0-40., but i also added some ZX1 SuperLube now that works,well ,



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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by watchnerd » 13 Oct 2019 16:12

gwernaffield wrote:
13 Oct 2019 15:17
well i taked to Michell ( jonathan Nye ) who said get some mobil 1 fully synthetic oil 0-40., but i also added some ZX1 SuperLube now that works,well ,



michell odyssey
michell dual delphini
michell orca
3nc trichord power supplies
pascal m pro2 power modual
sme 309 ,sound smith zepher mimic star
rondo blue
gato fm15 speakers
Why add anything to what Michell recommends?

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by gwernaffield » 13 Oct 2019 19:57

i added an exra friction reducer zx1, it works very well , so much i had to adjust the speed on the hr power supply , less rumble, not that you could hear anything before,, i sent some to Jonathan nye to try , you can buy it off eBay , the latest moble one oil is also being sold as turntable oil , it is green in color ,
no difference ,,just some one has taken to put simple oil into little bottles and call it turntable oil , a bottle of mobil one £12 lasts for ever and a day ,, a small bottle of Turntable oil £7 ,, i bet it is the same thing , but at a hell of a mark up ,,,

ZX1 alredy mixed is about £7to£11,, depending on who is selling it,,

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by watchnerd » 13 Oct 2019 20:04

gwernaffield wrote:
13 Oct 2019 19:57
i added an exra friction reducer zx1, it works very well , so much i had to adjust the speed on the hr power supply , less rumble, not that you could hear anything before,, i sent some to Jonathan nye to try , you can buy it off eBay , the latest moble one oil is also being sold as turntable oil , it is green in color ,
no difference ,,just some one has taken to put simple oil into little bottles and call it turntable oil , a bottle of mobil one £12 lasts for ever and a day ,, a small bottle of Turntable oil £7 ,, i bet it is the same thing , but at a hell of a mark up ,,,

ZX1 alredy mixed is about £7to£11,, depending on who is selling it,,
How did you measure the reduction in rumble (since you said you couldn't hear it) and by how many dB did it go down?

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by gwernaffield » 13 Oct 2019 21:43

i just used my ears that is all, i dont measure anything , but i new some thing changed due to the speed going to 35rpm from 33.3 rpm, as i have a digital tachometer to measure that , not to take this too far ,, it is my own opinion , i am not a professor or dealer ,just a user of a fine turntable ,, who like you,, like to see if you can make things better in the long run , i know the zx1 suprerlube works, just have a look on their site , i have also seen one of their demonstrations,, of the product reducing friction , i was not expecting it to work on the bearing but it did,, if you want to call to wales and bring your measuring equipment you are welcome, but i do not have that equipment as i am not a laboratory,,
all the best
pete

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by watchnerd » 13 Oct 2019 21:58

gwernaffield wrote:
13 Oct 2019 21:43
i just used my ears that is all, i dont measure anything , but i new some thing changed due to the speed going to 35rpm from 33.3 rpm, as i have a digital tachometer to measure that , not to take this too far ,, it is my own opinion , i am not a professor or dealer ,just a user of a fine turntable ,, who like you,, like to see if you can make things better in the long run , i know the zx1 suprerlube works, just have a look on their site , i have also seen one of their demonstrations,, of the product reducing friction , i was not expecting it to work on the bearing but it did,, if you want to call to wales and bring your measuring equipment you are welcome, but i do not have that equipment as i am not a laboratory,,
all the best
pete
Yeah, rumble is pretty hard to measure, which is why I was curious. You need one of these to do it:

http://www.theanalogdept.com/images/spp ... eskopp.GIF

http://www.acousticpsychos.com/?p=16

They're pretty rare to find and also pretty expensive.

What digital tacho are you using?

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Re: Bearing oil replacement

Post by gwernaffield » 13 Oct 2019 22:12

just one off evil bay , also project strobe disk if you want to measure rumble you could do this method of diy audio

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogu ... umble.html


all the best
peter

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