Pioneer MS-6500

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Pioneer MS-6500

Post by smee4 » 20 Dec 2016 01:44

Really love the look of this unit. The aluminium blocks as the controls on the turntable and the heavy weighted feel of the tuning control.

This is the one I have been liking the AT3600 cart in (that I wrote about in the cartridge forum here). The cassette deck isn't working (needs belts) but I don't have any I want to play so I'll leave it. Only other fault is a pop when the motor turns on and off. Might need a new suppression cap.

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by BMRR » 21 Dec 2016 02:50

Several months ago I saw a unit that was nearly identical to that, except it wasn't a Pioneer. I think it was a Sanyo or a Toshiba or something like that. It looks like there were a lot of these sold under various brand names. All made by CEC, perhaps?
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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by smee4 » 21 Dec 2016 03:00

BMRR wrote:Several months ago I saw a unit that was nearly identical to that, except it wasn't a Pioneer. I think it was a Sanyo or a Toshiba or something like that. It looks like there were a lot of these sold under various brand names. All made by CEC, perhaps?

I suspect, rather, it was just a VERY popular format. People were buying into this "Music Centre" idea and all the companies were trying to market their own version. I remember seeing a LOT of cheap ones with ceramic carts. This one is at the higher end and the actual turntable is very capable.

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by Captgogo » 12 Aug 2017 02:41

smee4 wrote:Really love the look of this unit. The aluminium blocks as the controls on the turntable and the heavy weighted feel of the tuning control.

This is the one I have been liking the AT3600 cart in (that I wrote about in the cartridge forum here). The cassette deck isn't working (needs belts) but I don't have any I want to play so I'll leave it. Only other fault is a pop when the motor turns on and off. Might need a new suppression cap.

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I recently acquired on of these, nice unit, but I have also noticed the loud pop, each time the motor turns off, did you ever solve this, would you be happy to share how you did this.

Also can you use a 3-5g tacking force cartrige like the Shure M44C on this unit? I cannot find a operating manual for this music centre.
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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by smee4 » 12 Aug 2017 12:26

Popping each time it turns on is a common problem on many old turntables, and is always caused by a failed capacitor. This cap is found under the turntable and is wired across the on/off microswitch that starts the motor. Simply replace this with a similarly rated cap (needs to handle local mains power). This totally cured mine.

I am sure the counterweight will back off far enough to handle 3 grams. I run 2 to 2.5 grams on my current cartridge. If it doesn't, just bluetack more weight (a coin maybe) on the rear of the tonearm.

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by BMRR » 12 Aug 2017 13:02

Captgogo wrote:Also can you use a 3-5g tacking force cartrige like the Shure M44C on this unit?
Possibly, but something in the 2g-2.5g range would be a better match for that tonearm. If you already have an M44 cartridge you can use any stylus made for the M44 or M55 series. Shure still makes the N44G (1.5g) and the N44-7 (3g); a great aftermarket alternative is the EVG 4759-DET which tracks nicely at 1.75g-2g and has an elliptical diamond (the N44G and N44-7 are spherical). I own all three of them and the EVG sounds best to my ears.

You can find the EVG here:

http://thevoiceofmusic.com/catalog/part ... ategories=

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by Captgogo » 12 Aug 2017 23:43

Thanks for that BMRR

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by strauss » 06 Apr 2018 05:21

Is there a downloadable pdf of a service manual for the Pioneer Music Centre MS6500? Can't identify a suspect faulty transistor in the tape deck.

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by Captgogo » 06 Apr 2018 06:43

Hi Strauss
I cannot recall where I download it bit I do have a PDF of the schematics, I am not sure how to link it to you, so PM me with your email and I will send.
You can do me a favour want you get it, I have a very load sound coming through the speaker when the record player switches the power of after the end of a record, not great for my speakers let alone my ears, could you point me to the Caps that most likely will need to be replaced.
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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by smee4 » 06 Apr 2018 06:52

Captgogo wrote: You can do me a favour want you get it, I have a very load sound coming through the speaker when the record player switches the power of after the end of a record, not great for my speakers let alone my ears, could you point me to the Caps that most likely will need to be replaced.
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I already told you how to fix this earlier in this thread

"Popping each time it turns on is a common problem on many old turntables, and is always caused by a failed capacitor. This cap is found under the turntable and is wired across the on/off microswitch that starts the motor. Simply replace this with a similarly rated cap (needs to handle local mains power). This totally cured mine.
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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by Captgogo » 06 Apr 2018 13:24

Hi Smee4
Thank you for reminding me, i never got around to do anything about back in Aug last as the week after I went oversea for a few months. As I have a few other turntables, I had not thought about the Pioneer again till Strauss made his inquiry today. I had totally forgot about your post.
I will get onto this next week as I also need to deal with the tape rewind which does not work and the tuner dial cord need to be looked at as I does not move when the knob is turned.
Thanks once again.

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by capstar1961 » 25 Mar 2019 01:39

Has anyone found a manual for the Pioneer MS-6500 yet as I'm after a copy as well?
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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by camdflage » 26 Oct 2019 09:58

Hi,

Have TWO to repair and have come to an impasse when disassembling. All screws out of outer 'bucket' base, and those at rear holding top section to rear connectors panel. Something around the middle of the front is impeding the top from being slipped backwards and off from the 'bucket' base. Cannot access interior to commence testing/fault investigation.

Any news on those schematics, or are they just the circuit diagram? Really need a service guide or similar so I dont have to destroy one unit to save the other.

Also, I'm new here and thanks for any help you can provide.

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by camdflage » 26 Oct 2019 10:13

smee4 wrote:
20 Dec 2016 01:44
Really love the look of this unit. The aluminium blocks as the controls on the turntable and the heavy weighted feel of the tuning control.

This is the one I have been liking the AT3600 cart in (that I wrote about in the cartridge forum here). The cassette deck isn't working (needs belts) but I don't have any I want to play so I'll leave it. Only other fault is a pop when the motor turns on and off. Might need a new suppression cap.

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Any sign of a service manual? Cant find one in the usual Google searches.... Cant get the top casing away from the base.

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Re: Pioneer MS-6500

Post by smee4 » 26 Oct 2019 11:02

Maybe remove the tape player and turntable to see what's going on under there?

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