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Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 11 Jun 2014 15:06
by EL34
After reading so many threads on the internet debating what was in Gruv Glide and people saying the company wouldn’t reveal what their “secret ingredient” was, I just looked at the chemical abstract numbers on the back of the can and found very detailed descriptions of what these “magic” ingredients are. Listed below in order of prominence from the back of the can are the names and a summary of what these ingredients are. I suggest for the two key ingredients, you click the respective link to read all of the details. Basically these “magic” ingredients are modified tallow fats from animals that are transformed into water soluble ammonium and hydrogen.

I remember back in the 70’s when I worked at McDonalds, the French fries where fried in beef tallow and that’s why they tasted so damn good; however, since Gruv Glide’s tallow has been chemically modified, I would caution against using it as a substitute for PAM when preparing your frying pan (although it might taste good). :wink:

By the way, it has a NFPA Health Rating of 2 (Intense or continued but not chronic exposure could cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury)

1) Quaternary ammonium compounds: CAS#61789808
BIS(HYDROGENATED TALLOW ALKYL)DIMETHYL CHLORIDE
Summary of Application & Description: Used in formulating softners, emulsifier and antistatic agents. Tallow is a hard fat consists chiefly of glyceryl esters of oleic, palmitic, and stearic acids (16-18 carbon chains). It is extracted from fatty deposits of animals, especially from suet (fatty tissues around the kidneys of cattle and sheep). Tallow is used for soaps, leather dressings, candles, food, and lubricants. It is used in producing synthetic surfactants.
For more details, please click on link below:
http://www.chemicalland21.com/specialty ... LORIDE.htm

2) Quaternary ammonium compounds: CAS#8030782
TALLOW TRIMETHYLAMMONIUM CHLORIDE
Summary of Application & Description: Quaternary ammonium compounds are any of a group of ammonium salts in which organic radicals have been substituted for all four hydrogens of the original ammonium cation. They show a variety of physical, chemical, and biological properties and most compounds are soluble in water and strong electrolytes. In addition to their tendency of locating at the interface of two phases (liquid–liquid or solid–liquid) to introduce continuity between the two different phases, they have properties of disrupting micro-organisms' cell processes. These compounds are used as:
• Surface-active agents
• Solvents
• Intermediates
• Active Ingredient for Conditioners
• Antistatic Agent
• Detergent Sanitisers
• Softner for textiles and paper products
• Phase Transfer Catalyst
• Antimicrobials
• Disinfection Agents And Sanitizers
• Slimicidal Agents
• Algaecide
• Emulsifying Agents
• Pigment Dispersers
For more details, please click on link below:
http://www.chemicalland21.com/specialty ... LORIDE.htm

3) Isopropanol: CAS#67630
2-propanol (alcohol)

4) Inert material: CAS#7732185 (Is just the chemical number for pure water)

Okay, I feel better now knowing what it is and that it is water soluble. You will also notice that these tallow ammoniums are used for more than just lubrication and anti-static properties, but contain surfactants, solvents, and even have antimicrobial properties. So... people have debated if Gruv Glide can be used as a cleaner and I would say after reading these chemical properties, I bet it could albeit expensive. At any rate, it's nice to know that when you apply it to a record that's been through a RCM, the antimicrobial properties may prohibit future contamination of anything funky growing in the grooves.

One last thing: Don’t you home brewers out there get any wild ideas and try making this stuff at home with some lard, ammonia, and alcohol… :lol:

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 11 Jun 2014 18:13
by ripblade
EL34 wrote:One last thing: Don’t you home brewers out there get any wild ideas and try making this stuff at home with some lard, ammonia, and alcohol… :lol:
Why not? I'm sure there's someone reaching for the Crisco right now... :lol:

Thanks for posting this, btw. 8)

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 12 Jun 2014 00:20
by 33-45-78
Sounds like a Tyler Durden home brew

My New Gruv Glide Application Method

Posted: 17 Jun 2014 15:15
by EL34
Just wanted to add that I experimented over the weekend with how I actually apply the Gruv Glide. I had been following the can directions of two short spritzes on one pad, follow by two quick passes with the other pad to distribute out evenly, and finally apply on the lp spinning at 45 rpm. Then I saw a YouTube video of some DJ who just does the two quick spritzes and manually buffs sections of the lp at a time while rotating the platter by hand.

To me, that seemed like you wouldn't get a very even distribution of "our chemically modified tallow". Seems like it would be thicker on the section where you first started the application, and thinnest on the section that was last buffed. So...

I picked up a couple of scratchers over the weekend (a Beach Boys mono, and Cream on original Atco label). Washed them on the NG rcm and played a few bars - noisy and crackly as expected. Then, I thought I'd try out my new hybrid method of "layin' down the fat!":
1) Have clean lp spinning at 45 rpm
2) Two quick spritzes of GG on a pad
3) Directly take that pad (do not wipe off on other pad) and "lightly" lay it down, as in just holding so its own weight rests on the spinning lp, moving across from the outer grooves to inner and back. Repeat and slowly apply just a little light pressure as you normally would, making sure the entire surface gets some time with the pad from run in grooves to run out grooves.
4) Turn off the 45 rpm spinning
5) Manually buff sections at a time (like the DJ video)
6) One last spin at 45 rpm

Using this method, I did not see any wet spots or felt that any one area got more application than the other because even though I didn't re-distribute the wet pad on the dry pad, I feel that by holding the pad very lightly on the lp, the spinning at 45 rpm's does the distribution for you evenly and very quickly. I also like the fact that this expensive "tallow" isn't being wasted on the dry pad. Now the test...

These two lp's sounded much, much improved. The hissing and scratching were greatly reduced and made them listenable. I also felt better knowing that even my secondary turntable that is reserved for my "lesser" vinyl, its stylus was getting some "tallow" lubrication helping it "glide" a little easier through the rough terrain. After playing these two lp's, I inspected the stylus with a magnification mirror and light, and I could see no residue. I then swiped it a few times with the Magic Eraser and nothing came off. So going forward, I think this will be my method of application utilizing less waste of the GG product. (I understand that two spritzes are still two spritzes, but it's what you do with them that counts!) :wink:

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 23 Sep 2014 15:30
by BMRR
Does Gruv Glide do a good job of reducing static? That's the biggest problem I have with my records... and of course the static acts as a magnet for dust, lint, cat hair, etc.

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 23 Sep 2014 18:22
by BMRR
Has this product been discontinued? It seems to be "out of stock" or "no longer available" at almost every online site that used to carry it, and the handful of sites that have it in stock are now charging $60 or $70 for it. :shock:

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 24 Sep 2014 21:33
by EL34
BMRR:
1) Yes, reducing, if not completely eliminating static is the key purpose of GG shared with the dry lubricating it provides, and its key ingredient of chemically modified tallow is the same used in anti-static dryer sheets.

2) I read online that GG will not be back for distribution until late October, but they didn't say why manufacturing or supplies were interrupted to cause the temporary shortage. By late Oct or Nov, the price should return to $39 a can if what I read was true. No, do not buy at those ridiculous prices - those sellers are just taking advantage of a supply interruption. Cheers!

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 27 Apr 2019 16:38
by BMRR
Has the formula for Gruv Glide changed?

I finally got around to buying some, and the back of the can says:

"Contains:
(CAS#) Isopropyl Alcohol (67-63-0)
Hydrocarbon Propellant (68476-86-8)"

That's it. None of the other ingredients that EL34 found on the back of his can are listed on the back of my can.

Please tell me I didn't just spend $40 on nothing more than isopropyl alcohol in an aerosol can... [-o<

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 27 Apr 2019 19:11
by ripblade
Why not use a diluted version of the brew phantomrebel formulated for cleaning vinyl. It has surfactants which act as lubricants and an antistatic agent in it. An eye dropper and a Last system applicator would probably be more effective at reducing static and friction than a full wash and rinse as it was intended to be used, though it helps even in that capacity.

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 28 Apr 2019 22:37
by vince1
Because some people are happy spending over $7 an ounce for something they could make better themselves for under 7 cents/ounce?

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 29 Apr 2019 15:19
by BMRR
If either of you care to post the recipe/instructions, I'm all ears...

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 30 Apr 2019 00:50
by ripblade

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 30 Apr 2019 00:55
by ripblade
vince1 wrote:
28 Apr 2019 22:37
Because some people are happy spending over $7 an ounce for something they could make better themselves for under 7 cents/ounce?
People might trust a certain brand over a DIY recipe posted by a stranger, no matter their credentials. I think there's some risk to brand loyalty in this particular, unregulated industry. For me, I like to know how things work and am generally suspicious of marketed preparations at seemingly outrageous prices, so DIY suits me perfectly.

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 04 May 2019 16:01
by BMRR
Back to the topic at hand:

It's been 8 days since I sent an email to Odyssey Innovative Designs, the company that apparently now owns Gruv Glide. I asked them if the formula has changed. I have not received any reply.

I also tried calling them. No answer, and I got "the mailbox is full" error messages when I called after hours.

This is very disappointing.

I'm not looking for a lecture or an "I told you so" about DIY products are; I'm simply sharing my experience so that others won't waste their money. By all accounts this used to be a great product that worked as advertised to lubricate the grooves, reducing friction and surface noise. The current version doesn't seem to do anything other than remove surface dust. Without the other ingredients that provided the "glide," today's Gruv Glide is merely an outrageously-priced can of alcohol.

Re: Gruv Glide Ingredients Revealed

Posted: 12 May 2019 14:43
by miserlou
I'm very curious about BMRR's claim that GG has changed their formula, has anyone else found answers to whether or not it's true?

Thanks!