Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by JDJX » 09 Jun 2018 18:34

vinyl master wrote:By the way, I still write letters, send cards and make long phone calls on occasion!
So do I :)
In fact, I still have my land line in addition to my cell phone which only acts as a phone with no net access.

I hear in schools, they no longer teach letter writing... or even proper English to the degree that they used to.

E-mails are so impersonal and this is lost on the millennials.
If I need to contact a company for a serious matter, I send a proper letter by registered mail/ signature reacquired. They can not ignore this like they can an e-mail.
E-mails have their place and uses but sometimes, only a letter will do.
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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by reynolds617 » 09 Jun 2018 18:37

I communicate with companies exclusively via Aldis Lamp. ;)

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by Issuesman666 » 09 Jun 2018 21:52

JDJX wrote:
rewfew wrote:
JDJX wrote:"Silly' songs are one thing... we have always had some through the ages.
The same thing goes for bad songs in general

However, one thing the Beatles and Lennon/McCartney, etc, etc never did was to use the same musical hook / cliche in almost every song.
No correction needed. The Beatles are spared from any inference of mediocrity. That group's magic was diminished somewhat after their breakup. And Sir Paul contributed more his share of songs silly and fluffy and forgettable. Course, John's sarcasm to Paul had Yoko's immeasurable contributions to his post Beatles output to answer for. What's worse listening to, today's pop music, or the Yoko Ono Band? It's dead even I think.

I've heard millennial's are one of the most debt burdened group ever. Going to college these days doesn't quite jibe with what the American dream use to. That is a very troubling aspect of the neoliberal economic world.
They are not the first (modern) generation to experience hardship and economic burdens by any stretch .
For examples... both of my parents lived through the great depression and WWII.
My generation had to deal with the cold war with the constant threat of nuclear annihilation.... and the Vietnam war/the draft in the US.

I think the the internet and all its false info took its toll on the millennials as they new the net since their birth
It became their only source of info.... good and bad.
They became convinced the their future was doomed as that is what they frequently read on the net.
Atrocious grammar and spelling are not restricted to millennials.Check out the posts of the people whining on this thread.

Atrocious pop music was there for EVERY generation.

I'm in my forties.

Generalizations are not a good idea.

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by JDJX » 09 Jun 2018 22:57

Nobody is generalizing ...just Google what the vast majority of millennials think etc.

They are unique because they are first "internet" generation that has no concept of a world without the net and are completely dependent on it, and all modern technology... abandoning things that came before as unworthy or old fashioned that can not be had with the push of a button.

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by Issuesman666 » 09 Jun 2018 23:28

JDJX wrote:Nobody is generalizing ...just Google what the vast majority of millennials think etc.

They are unique because they are first "internet" generation that has no concept of a world without the net and are completely dependent on it, and all modern technology... abandoning things that came before as unworthy or old fashioned that can not be had with the push of a button.
Do you have proof?

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by JDJX » 10 Jun 2018 01:46

Nigel Gomez wrote:
JDJX wrote:Nobody is generalizing ...just Google what the vast majority of millennials think etc.

They are unique because they are first "internet" generation that has no concept of a world without the net and are completely dependent on it, and all modern technology... abandoning things that came before as unworthy or old fashioned that can not be had with the push of a button.
Do you have proof?
Only as people (including some millennials) are generally saying on the net.
Like I said, "Google it". :)

It's also a given fact that they are the very first internet generation as the net existed (for consumer use) before their birth.


Do you have proof to the contrary?

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by Issuesman666 » 10 Jun 2018 02:09

JDJX wrote:
Nigel Gomez wrote:
JDJX wrote:Nobody is generalizing ...just Google what the vast majority of millennials think etc.

They are unique because they are first "internet" generation that has no concept of a world without the net and are completely dependent on it, and all modern technology... abandoning things that came before as unworthy or old fashioned that can not be had with the push of a button.
Do you have proof?
Only as people (including some millennials) are generally saying on the net.
Like I said, "Google it". :)

It's also a given fact that they are the very fist internet generation as the net existed before their birth.


Do you have proof to the contrary?
Here is my take on it.This thread is about mostly old geezers whining about the young generation's music.It happens every generation.


The old geezers could not understand Elvis in the fifties.
The old geezers could not understand the Beatles,Stones and the Who in the sixties.
The old geezers could not understand Disco,Punk and Metal in the seventies.
The old geezers could not understand Rap,New wave and Metal in the eighties.
The old geezers could not understand Grunge in the nineties.
The old geezers could not understand Nu Metal in the 2000's.
The old geezers of today cannot understand or appreciate the current trends in Pop Music.

I pick out music I like from any Generation.Let the millennials enjoy their pop music and quit whining.You sound like your grandparents did back in the day.

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by vinyl master » 10 Jun 2018 02:39

While not as old as some of you here, I still lament the lack of REAL SONGWRITING and creative experimentation...The music can grow stagnant when artists are not given that creative freedom...In the old days, when Frank Sinatra or Tony Bennett or even Percy Faith or Ray Conniff covered your song, you'd know that you've made it as an artist or a songwriter...Find me a song written in the last five years that would hold up to THEIR standards of songcraft! Not saying that Percy Faith would cover "Black Dog" or anything, although that would've been interesting :-k, but now, we have two camps...Those who can't write their own music and those who can't play an instrument...Maybe I'll add one more IF I consider those who can't sing, but those usually won't get beyond a blooper reel in a reality TV talent show...I'll admit there are exceptions to the rule, but you won't see many of them in the Top 10...There does seem to be a lot of sameness in regards to the vocals of many singers, too...A lot of the same song topics, as well...I miss the variety of the 60's, 70's, 80's and even some of the 90's...Very distinctive vocals and a dedication to their craft was a hallmark back then...Of course, great music is out there, for the discovering...Bands like Greta Van Fleet do give me hope, however fleeting...Just a personal opinion, too, but as I've been going through my Northern Soul collection lately and re-discovering some more talents that have laid forgotten and languished unknown, I can think of a thousand great singers who could top the likes of Beyonce and Rihanna on a good day! Nothing against those two, but if Percy Faith were alive today, he wouldn't be covering any of them!

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Post by rewfew » 10 Jun 2018 18:20

Nigel Gomez wrote:Atrocious grammar and spelling are not restricted to millennials.Check out the posts of the people whining on this thread.

Atrocious pop music was there for EVERY generation.

I'm in my forties.

Generalizations are not a good idea.
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Nigel Gomez wrote:Here is my take on it.This thread is about mostly old geezers whining about the young generation's music.It happens every generation.


The old geezers could not understand Elvis in the fifties.
The old geezers could not understand the Beatles,Stones and the Who in the sixties.
The old geezers could not understand Disco,Punk and Metal in the seventies.
The old geezers could not understand Rap,New wave and Metal in the eighties.
The old geezers could not understand Grunge in the nineties.
The old geezers could not understand Nu Metal in the 2000's.
The old geezers of today cannot understand or appreciate the current trends in Pop Music.

I pick out music I like from any Generation.Let the millennials enjoy their pop music and quit whining.You sound like your grandparents did back in the day.
Nigel old chap, I'd implore you to view the original youtube before you make cliched generalizations yourself. The video has somewhat a bit of statistical research and reasoning going beyond mere whining about the state of current popular music trends. For me, the bad rap for this banal music is not to be hung around the neck's of the millennial generation exclusively. As the video points out, the industry itself, due to their prime directive of bottom line profit is more than culpable.

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Post by Issuesman666 » 10 Jun 2018 19:54

rewfew wrote:
Nigel Gomez wrote:Atrocious grammar and spelling are not restricted to millennials.Check out the posts of the people whining on this thread.

Atrocious pop music was there for EVERY generation.

I'm in my forties.

Generalizations are not a good idea.
and
Nigel Gomez wrote:Here is my take on it.This thread is about mostly old geezers whining about the young generation's music.It happens every generation.


The old geezers could not understand Elvis in the fifties.
The old geezers could not understand the Beatles,Stones and the Who in the sixties.
The old geezers could not understand Disco,Punk and Metal in the seventies.
The old geezers could not understand Rap,New wave and Metal in the eighties.
The old geezers could not understand Grunge in the nineties.
The old geezers could not understand Nu Metal in the 2000's.
The old geezers of today cannot understand or appreciate the current trends in Pop Music.

I pick out music I like from any Generation.Let the millennials enjoy their pop music and quit whining.You sound like your grandparents did back in the day.
Nigel old chap, I'd implore you to view the original youtube before you make cliched generalizations yourself. The video has somewhat a bit of statistical research and reasoning going beyond mere whining about the state of current popular music trends. For me, the bad rap for this banal music is not to be hung around the neck's of the millennial generation exclusively. As the video points out, the industry itself, due to their prime directive of bottom line profit is more than culpable.
You cannot force people to like what you consider to be good music. Music is subjective.

The music industry has always been driven by profits.

It's up to the individual to decide what he or she likes.No amount of your research into what you consider to be 'banal' is going to change what a generation likes.Rock and pop music is mostly about rebellion against the parents.They are not going to like what their parents like.

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Post by rewfew » 11 Jun 2018 00:48

Nigel Gomez wrote:You cannot force people to like what you consider to be good music. Music is subjective.

The music industry has always been driven by profits.

It's up to the individual to decide what he or she likes.No amount of your research into what you consider to be 'banal' is going to change what a generation likes.Rock and pop music is mostly about rebellion against the parents.They are not going to like what their parents like.
Nigel, you just dig in a show your obstinance to reasoning. And you put out as much generalities as you accuse of others. I would no more waste time to try to force people to try to like my musical tastes as I would try to push against a glacier to stop it's movement. And there was no overt "research" to try to obfuscate peoples thinking into how I think pop music should please my tastes. I happen to come upon the video that had some deeper insight into what resonate both to me and, (maybe) others as a critical response to a cultural trend that is simply a preponderance of lousy, commercially produced, phony drivel... In my opinion. You may like it, others may like it. Fine. There's no accounting for what people enjoy. I could care less. But I know what moves me. And this stuff is like the end product of a bowel movement. Once again Nigel....My opinion.

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by Issuesman666 » 11 Jun 2018 03:14

rewfew wrote:
Nigel Gomez wrote:You cannot force people to like what you consider to be good music. Music is subjective.

The music industry has always been driven by profits.

It's up to the individual to decide what he or she likes.No amount of your research into what you consider to be 'banal' is going to change what a generation likes.Rock and pop music is mostly about rebellion against the parents.They are not going to like what their parents like.
Nigel, you just dig in a show your obstinance to reasoning. And you put out as much generalities as you accuse of others. I would no more waste time to try to force people to try to like my musical tastes as I would try to push against a glacier to stop it's movement. And there was no overt "research" to try to obfuscate peoples thinking into how I think pop music should please my tastes. I happen to come upon the video that had some deeper insight into what resonate both to me and, (maybe) others as a critical response to a cultural trend that is simply a preponderance of lousy, commercially produced, phony drivel... In my opinion. You may like it, others may like it. Fine. There's no accounting for what people enjoy. I could care less. But I know what moves me. And this stuff is like the end product of a bowel movement. Once again Nigel....My opinion.
I don't like most modern pop music.I listen to Metal,Punk,Hard Rock,New Wave,Progressive Rock and most types of Classic Rock.My Pop Music era is the Eighties when I grew up.There was terrible music then too....but I guess to each his own.Who am I to judge?


Your crass,disgusting comment is not necessary?What am I being stubborn about? Because I don't condemn modern trends in popular music?There has always been a huge amount of drivel in pop music.This era is no different from any other.....

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Post by Patrice Brousseau » 11 Jun 2018 05:15

billshurv wrote:I think in UK we are lucky with having the BBC who, despite having to play top 40 during the day do some great stuff evenings and weekends. Not sure if John Peel or Whispering Bob Harris have ever been heard of outside uk, but they were/are legendary. We also have a dedicated station (6 music) which is dedicated to good music and sod the top 100. You can see their current playlist here https://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/playlist
We have something similar here in Canada, Radio-Canada (CBC in English) with a lot of diversity in music.

As for actual good music, I can add the band Patrick Watson from here...

And just to add my opinion: as a musician, I could easily note that the top hits are all similar in beat, chords, and the lack of real melody... Not sure it was like this in 1600 to 1990's...

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Re: Why Is Modern Pop Music So Terrible?

Post by vinyl master » 11 Jun 2018 07:45

For the record, there is some clear musicianship out there...For example...

If you dig Led Zeppelin, there is the aforementioned Greta Van Fleet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXdM1rqSlSQ

Dig the blues and Sabbath? Hear this one from Ruthie Foster...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsZEvbPCvQY

If you dig Frank Sinatra, we have Michael Buble...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrPJLt2GBfE

If you love the 80's, check out Fire Tiger...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4A--GBLkzk

Dig indie pop groups like The Style Council, look at New Street Adventure...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzXtSSZaz2w

Blue-eyed soul? Mama's Gun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMHVymC9x5c

Dig classic country? Listen to these guys...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm2XKZnnyMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fynGn_531YI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXIN-5PGsoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0K4JHf0DFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QzcrflqDCg

Dig the Cocteau Twins? Check out this girl...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgN_OFosKzY

Like Steely Dan? Check out these guys from Scandinavia...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VT9S6He5s

Dig Stevie Ray, Eddie Hazel, Jimi and the rest of the guitar greats? Quinn keeps killing it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTW-SPbqEqg

Like James Brown? We lost these two recently...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfaOf70M4xs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99WYDZP5gtQ

Like Sergio Mendes and The 5th Dimension...Check out The Flat Five!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwzuGO_hoeU

Psychedelic music? Check out Monophonics!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyWHRC8A_uU

Those are just a few examples...One has to look more to find good music, but those show that there are acts out there today keeping their respective genres alive! Food for thought, in any case... :-k

An antidote to formulaic modern pop, even if many of these bands are treading familiar ground...

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Post by Issuesman666 » 12 Jun 2018 01:26

vinyl master wrote:For the record, there is some clear musicianship out there...For example...

If you dig Led Zeppelin, there is the aforementioned Greta Van Fleet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXdM1rqSlSQ

Dig the blues and Sabbath? Hear this one from Ruthie Foster...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsZEvbPCvQY

If you dig Frank Sinatra, we have Michael Buble...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrPJLt2GBfE

If you love the 80's, check out Fire Tiger...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4A--GBLkzk

Dig indie pop groups like The Style Council, look at New Street Adventure...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzXtSSZaz2w

Blue-eyed soul? Mama's Gun!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMHVymC9x5c

Dig classic country? Listen to these guys...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm2XKZnnyMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fynGn_531YI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXIN-5PGsoU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0K4JHf0DFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QzcrflqDCg

Dig the Cocteau Twins? Check out this girl...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgN_OFosKzY

Like Steely Dan? Check out these guys from Scandinavia...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VT9S6He5s

Dig Stevie Ray, Eddie Hazel, Jimi and the rest of the guitar greats? Quinn keeps killing it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTW-SPbqEqg

Like James Brown? We lost these two recently...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfaOf70M4xs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99WYDZP5gtQ

Like Sergio Mendes and The 5th Dimension...Check out The Flat Five!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwzuGO_hoeU

Psychedelic music? Check out Monophonics!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyWHRC8A_uU

Those are just a few examples...One has to look more to find good music, but those show that there are acts out there today keeping their respective genres alive! Food for thought, in any case... :-k

An antidote to formulaic modern pop, even if many of these bands are treading familiar ground...
If you dig Nirvana, Pixies and Sonic Youth check out Wolf Alice.

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