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Post by Axlinscotland » 19 May 2009 23:21

Vincula

Check this link out....

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In amazon they have partnership with other retailers and probably they are able to ship to Spain. BTW, I have found great items within this retailers...


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Post by fscl » 20 May 2009 01:39

Like dragonw my only DSOTM is my one and only MFSL LP which I picked up on the "Left Coast" in 1981 from Serra Stereo in SF, CA.

$15.95 for the LP and $16.91 out the door with Uncle Sam's handling charges.

Always wanted a DSOTM, so I figured I'd spring for the "highest quality" version available and see / hear what MFSL was all about.

MFSL liner notes:

"Because Super Vinyl has no "memory" you are encouraged to play our discs over and over without "real" rest between plays. It is necessary, if you have noticed, to "rest" ordinary pressings (soft vinyl) between plays, sometimes up to twenty-four hour, because the groove walls tend to give and stretch out of shape with each play. The audible difference is most annoying, particularly when an ordinary pressing is compared to our Super Vinyl pressing. Unfortunately, Super Vinyl is not available in the United States at the time. The Victor Co. of Japan (JVC) is the sole producer of this vinyl and also presses our discs.

Warranty Reminder:

We do not de-horn our metal parts in order to prevent damage to high frequencies and transients. It may be necessary to play this disc several times, with your stylus acting as a polishing tool, to eliminate random pops and ticks. Brush carefully before and after each play!

Bought my son (big PF fan) the 30th for his birthday but haven't played this on a TT yet.

Fred and used MFSL DSOTM to learn to digitize / rip using a borrowed Grado fitted Nottingham Horizon

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Post by vincula2008 » 20 May 2009 07:25

Muchas gracias for the links and rec's, guys :D :D Hope I can contribute to the discussion on a couple of weeks or so!

Regards,

Vincula

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Post by blisteringbarnacles » 20 May 2009 10:03

anyone's welcome to my copy for the cost of postage :?

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Post by SuperCooper » 20 May 2009 14:52

My copies of dark side include...

30th Anniversary (SHVL 804)

Japanese 1973 2nd pressing (Mint condition with OBI, posters and stickers) (EMS-80324)

Australian Quad (Q4 SHVLA.804)

And of course my favourite fake;

"Promotional" Coloured Vinyl in white sleeve (SHV 1046 TP)


Either get the 30th anniversary because it's 180g Vinyl or look for a mint condition Japanese pressing.

The 30th is nice because it contains the cleaned up and enhanced version as put on the CD's and it's honestly a good record :)

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Post by paulgolding » 03 Jan 2010 17:54

Aaarrggh, this is driving me mad !

Ok, I've put dark side of the moon on vinyl (money) and the same on cd to switch between. The album just sounds dull compared to the cd :(


I was under the impression that this album is a good recording ??
problem is I've never heard it on any other turntable but mine !

has anyone else tried the comparison ? what did you find ??

still trying to determine whether my stylus/ cartridge is the problem.

It's really difficult . . I guess there's no way of demo-ing cartridges ?? is it just a matter of trusting in what other people tell you ??

oh I'm stressed !!!

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Post by Guest » 03 Jan 2010 19:40

Dull? :?...most certainly not! I have the 180g vinyl version (30th anniversary edition) and it blows the CD recording into the weeds. Not ultimately as bright (ie harsh) which is a good thing.

What cart are you using?

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Post by brightblack » 03 Jan 2010 19:58

Dark Side of the Moon has a strange play back history....the originals all had a dull quality to them....then when CD's came out the first issues all had the same problem...the later issues (from the last 2-3 years) they finally got it right...both CD & the new 180g issue on vinyl....

The same kinda problem happened with the first Beatles CD's until they finally got them mastered right....

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Post by paulgolding » 03 Jan 2010 19:58

it's a Shure Ultra 500 on an sme 309 arm on a PT Too turntable.

Right, glad to hear that, gotta be something wrong then so I can fix it !

Got another thread going re cartridge at the mo !

thanks

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Post by paulgolding » 03 Jan 2010 20:00

brightblack wrote:Dark Side of the Moon has a strange play back history....the originals all had a dull quality to them....then when CD's came out the first issues all had the same problem...the later issues (from the last 2-3 years) they finally got it right...both CD & the new 180g issue on vinyl....

The same kinda problem happened with the first Beatles CD's until they finally got them mastered right....
oh, ok. Although I get the same from Eagles Hotel California too. Quite a few other records are sounding duller too :(

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Post by Guest » 03 Jan 2010 21:10

brightblack wrote:
Dark Side of the Moon has a strange play back history....the originals all had a dull quality to them....then when CD's came out the first issues all had the same problem...the later issues (from the last 2-3 years) they finally got it right...both CD & the new 180g issue on vinyl....

My copy is quite a few years old and I have never experienced any sort of dullness. In fact, knowing someone involved with the studio engineering of this album, I know that Pink Floyd would be horrified to hear such a suggestion. What is true is that some of the re-releases were mixed differently, but all came from one original master tape, which I'm told sounds nothing like any of the albums on vinyl or CD!!...not surprisingly, its better...by a long way. Few albums ever released sound anything like the master recording these days.

I would put money on this being a cart or preamp issue. The TT and arm are top notch and certainly good enough for transparent replay. How many hours has the cart got on it and what loading has been applied to it etc? You could try raising the arm by a few mm and this will sharpen things up a tad.

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Post by paulgolding » 03 Jan 2010 21:18

That's a problem, I'm not sure. I bought it second hand. Although I know its not had tremendous use, it must be 15 years old.

As for setup, I've had the turntable professionally setup and the pre modified at the same time by the same guy so i'm very confident they're as good as can be.

Been looking at replies on a couple of other threads.


I'm tempted to replace the stylus at the moment with the sas version for around the £100 mark. I'm sure it won't be money wasted as i'm sure I could re-sell it if needed with the cartridge (prob worth nought at mo) for similar money.

then if still not happy I'll save up around the £500 mark and get a new cartridge altogether :D

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Post by brightblack » 04 Jan 2010 01:40

Bigears wrote:brightblack wrote:
Dark Side of the Moon has a strange play back history....the originals all had a dull quality to them....then when CD's came out the first issues all had the same problem...the later issues (from the last 2-3 years) they finally got it right...both CD & the new 180g issue on vinyl....

My copy is quite a few years old and I have never experienced any sort of dullness. In fact, knowing someone involved with the studio engineering of this album, I know that Pink Floyd would be horrified to hear such a suggestion. What is true is that some of the re-releases were mixed differently, but all came from one original master tape, which I'm told sounds nothing like any of the albums on vinyl or CD!!...not surprisingly, its better...by a long way. Few albums ever released sound anything like the master recording these days.

I would put money on this being a cart or preamp issue. The TT and arm are top notch and certainly good enough for transparent replay. How many hours has the cart got on it and what loading has been applied to it etc? You could try raising the arm by a few mm and this will sharpen things up a tad.
We can agree to disagree about the recording quality of the record but I highly doubt that Pink Floyd would be "horrified" by my observation...it was one of the best selling & well regarded records of all time....I think you're being a bit melodramatic, don't you? But then again I don't hang out with with any of the engineers either....everyone knows someone....."horrified" give me a break.... :lol:

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Post by LPspinner » 04 Jan 2010 03:09

Hi guys.

My original Australian pressing of DSotM also sounds dull with little or no top end detail and no real deep bass information as well, however my Japanese pressing of the same album sounds awesome and blows the CD pressings into the weeds.

There are few things that must be remembered when making comparisons like this. With popular music most discs will be manufactured in the country where they are intended to be sold.

Back in the days when vinyl was the preeminent source of music the final stereo mix-down master tape was copied, these copies were then shipped to any country where an LP was to be produced. Each county then cut its own master disc and made its own stampers that were to supply that particular market. Quite often the tape machines used to play the master tapes when cutting the master discs were not optimised for each play pack. Play back Heads were quite often left dirty (when playing a tape at 15 IPS it is surprising how little time it takes to build up an accumulation of oxide on the heads). Head Azimuth was rarely checked and re-aligned at the start of every session, and EQ settings were often left to “nominal” settings rather than optimized for each tape. All ready we can see the possibility for large variations in pressings sourced from different parts of the world.

Another point to consider it that in many parts of the world this particular album was released using a 4 channel SQ Quadraphonic format rather than normal 2-channel stereo. It is my experience that the SQ encoding system caused major phase discrepancies in the higher registers, this will also make the recording sound dull, This is why my Japanese pressing (which is plain vanilla stereo) sounds much more alive than the Australian SQ encoded versions.

So if your pressing sounds dull and muted it’s most likely that you have an SQ Quadraphonic version rather than stereo pressing, also it may have been pressed in a country that used less than perfect playback equipment when they were cutting the local master discs.

I learnt early that it is quite often pointless trying to compare LP to CD pressings for the reasons listed above. More often than not, the differences between different LP’s from various countries were greater than any difference between the LP's and CD's that were pressed in the same country.

The above comments seem to apply less to Jazz and classical music on both LP and CD as these markets are more specialised and tended to serviced by only one or two pressing plants rather than a pressing plant for each market region.


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Re: dark side of the moon

Post by wintermute » 04 Jan 2010 20:46

paulgolding wrote:Aaarrggh, this is driving me mad !

Ok, I've put dark side of the moon on vinyl (money) and the same on cd to switch between. The album just sounds dull compared to the cd :(


I was under the impression that this album is a good recording ??
problem is I've never heard it on any other turntable but mine !

has anyone else tried the comparison ? what did you find ??

still trying to determine whether my stylus/ cartridge is the problem.

It's really difficult . . I guess there's no way of demo-ing cartridges ?? is it just a matter of trusting in what other people tell you ??

oh I'm stressed !!!
They all sound dull to me. I've got a copy of the safety master of Dark Side on 15 IPS 2 Track Open Reel. That's the way to hear that LP..:)

But the story I was told by the folks that had the safety master is that it was originally a hissy recording. My open reel version does have the hiss, but the imagery blows the pants off any re-release that I've ever heard. For the LP, they just rolled off the high end. For the reissues, I would imagine they used some form of noise reduction on it.

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