Is this a pressing defect or a result of abuse/misuse?

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Is this a pressing defect or a result of abuse/misuse?

Post by Andrew_db » 19 Apr 2019 02:27

Picked up a copy of Goodnight Vienna the other week and when it started skipping I dug out my 40x loupe to see this. I can only imagine that this is a pressing issue, maybe not though. How else would something like this happen?

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Post by lenjack » 19 Apr 2019 16:05

That is not a defect. It is rare, but I have seen it before on other records. It is extremely powerful bass. I would guess that most arm/cartridges would have great difficulty tracking it successfully. Most record producers will not press this extreme bass level on to a record because they know they will get a lot of complaints about skipping. You'll either need to increase your tracking force, or get yourself a better cartridge to handle this record. There are some that can do it. The Shure V15's, and the m97xe, all discontinued will, and there are others as well.

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Post by Bob Dillon » 19 Apr 2019 18:11

Looks like non-fill to me. Is this a new pressing ?

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Post by philbrown » 19 Apr 2019 18:31

It's a big low frequency excursion. I'd be pretty worried about it. Grooves can touch each other, it's called kissing, but this looks like an overcut to me. Higher magnification would show it. I would have opened the pitch up manually to account for it.
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Post by Andrew_db » 19 Apr 2019 18:47

Bob Dillon wrote:
19 Apr 2019 18:11
Looks like non-fill to me. Is this a new pressing ?
No, its a 1974 Winchester pressing of Ringo's Goodnight Vienna. I got for $2 or $3. Just never seen the grooves 'wobble' so much that they touch

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Post by Andrew_db » 19 Apr 2019 18:50

philbrown wrote:
19 Apr 2019 18:31
It's a big low frequency excursion. I'd be pretty worried about it. Grooves can touch each other, it's called kissing, but this looks like an overcut to me. Higher magnification would show it. I would have opened the pitch up manually to account for it.
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Interesting, never knew grooves could touch. Is that a problem from a bad pressing? Worn out plates? I'm thinking this has to be a manufacturing issue. Its a 1974 pressing of Ringo's Goodnight Vienna and this is about halfway through Snookeroo, which is the last track on side A. And Snookeroo is certainly not a bass heavy song.

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Post by philbrown » 19 Apr 2019 22:31

Andrew_db wrote:
19 Apr 2019 18:50

Interesting, never knew grooves could touch. Is that a problem from a bad pressing? Worn out plates? I'm thinking this has to be a manufacturing issue. Its a 1974 pressing of Ringo's Goodnight Vienna and this is about halfway through Snookeroo, which is the last track on side A. And Snookeroo is certainly not a bass heavy song.
Sure can. This is mastering, not pressing. It was cut this way.
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Post by lenjack » 19 Apr 2019 22:53

That can be tracked.

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Post by philbrown » 20 Apr 2019 01:31

lenjack wrote:
19 Apr 2019 22:53
That can be tracked.
Not sure what you mean. The record pictured may or may not track, I can't see the groove will enough. But that's so obvious that the cutter must have looked at it.
But If you're talking about carts any cart will track that. It's high frequencies that are the problem.
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Post by lenjack » 20 Apr 2019 01:36

Those wide excursions are bass frequencies. I believe that is where his skipping occurred.

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Post by philbrown » 20 Apr 2019 01:41

lenjack wrote:
20 Apr 2019 01:36
Those wide excursions are bass frequencies. I believe that is where his skipping occurred.
Then it's probably overcut.
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Re: Is this a pressing defect or a result of abuse/misuse?

Post by lenjack » 20 Apr 2019 01:50

No, it's playable. Here is a more extreme example, probably the most famous one of all. It's from the Telarc recording of Tchaikovsy's 1812 Overture. Check out the 6th post down.https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... hp?t=94805

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