Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by macnoob » 08 Aug 2017 17:48

I'm using a 1209 I picked up at a local estate sale. M91ED with OEM stylus. Gets a lot more use than my DD Technics tables!

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 09 Aug 2017 13:30

That M91-ed is a terrible cartridge! What you need to do is send it to me for safe keeping while you get something decent for it :D :D :D

Depends on the technics decks you're comparing it to. The SL1500's I've used can sound terrible here, but with some modern thought to setting up and use (too much to go into on a Dual thread), they transformed themselves. I agree that Duals have so much more character about them - in a great way :)

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by macnoob » 09 Aug 2017 14:06

Right now an SL-1700 and SL-Q3. The Dual is in the family room where most listening happens.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 09 Aug 2017 21:43

I loved the SL1700 and today, I'd try one with a cork mat on top of the stock one, a current Technics headshell instead of the plump sounding original (the extra cork mat adds height to get the arm more level as well as possibly support the record batter in this application). The deck is suspended, so the lid could be retained in use (not with the fixed plinth models though) and maybe the exit cable could be upgraded to advantage (I used Van Damme and felt there was a genuine improvement as the old cables can fracture inside).

Like I said though and you obviously feel, the Dual is a lovely thing to own and use, the arm gives very little away to the top 'gimbal' models and as long as the drive is in tip-top tune, it's quiet enough on backgrounds, although the techie 1700 will be quieter.

The SL-Q3 isn't really in the same ball-park in my opinion, so good are the other two potentially...

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by BoblK » 21 Aug 2017 00:12

rogcz wrote:Brought home my first 1229 yesterday and tried it out on my system. It did not have the stacker but that was not an issue for me.
All controls work easily, mind you I have not tried moving the selector off the single play position.
I do need to hook up a ground wire, the buzz or hum disappears once the needle drops.
The cart that came with it is a Shure M44E with a new stylus. That has a 9.5mv output
As far as the previous owner knew, this table has never been cleaned and relubed.
I see the Dual Doctor is about an hour's drive from me.
Opinions on as to whether I should take this in for preemptive servicing, attempt a strip and relube myself or just leave it as is ?
What cart would be better for this unit? It will be playing thru a Technics SU-V9. I have an Ortofon 2M Red, a Grado Prestige Red and a Stanton 500DJ series with a new stylus to choose from. Or something else ?

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If you are OK with working on mechanisms with levers and cams then you probably can service it yourself. If you don't feel comfortable doing that then a trip to the Dual Doctor would be in order. I recently restored my 44 year old 1229 with the help of dualcan and parts and a written guide from mrow2 (Don Rowan). I'm also a retired mechanical engineer so working on this stuff doesn't bother me at all. Even with that background the experience and comments from these two long time experts does not hurt one bit!

I purchased an Ortofon 2M Blue and installed it. It is a tight fit in the head shell but it fits without any modification. Make sure you either have the overhang gauge or use some of the available on-line tools to set the cartridge up. Good luck you will enjoy the turntable.

I really like the 2M Blue so I think the 2M Red would be a good install too. A nice feature is that you can just change the stylus to upgrade later if you desire.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by rogcz » 22 Aug 2017 13:50

I have about 5 hours on this Dual so far. Cured the hum with a set of home made double insulated interconnects. I do hear rumble in between tracks and on the quietest passages.
Have to have the pitch lever off center quite a bit to achieve pitch and it does not appear rock steady.
Think I will just leave the cartridge that came with it in the arm. The table produces beautiful music, a more pleasant sound than I am getting from my Technics SL D202.
Still have not decided on taking it in for service or messing with it myself.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by BoblK » 28 Aug 2017 15:57

I purchased a new 1229 in 1973. Used it while going through college and for about 20 years. Then I put it and the albums in a heated basement in storage when I got into home theater stuff. In 2015 (and four houses later) I got back into vinyl. Brought it out of storage and lo and behold it still functioned properly. In early 2017 it started showing signs of age. With vinylengine forum guidance from members like Klaus and mrow2 (Don) I replaced the Steuerpimple, the AS Cam and the single-multi lift ring. Re-lubed everything with the alvania grease from mrow2. I cleaned up the plinth with Howards restore-a-finish and feed-n-wax. Added a new Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge and put it back into daily use. Eventually I'll disassemble the motor and re-lube it too. For now I'm just enjoying the tunes again.
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 28 Aug 2017 16:13

BoblK wrote:I purchased a new 1229 in 1973. Used it while going through college and for about 20 years. Then I put it and the albums in a heated basement in storage when I got into home theater stuff. In 2015 (and four houses later) I got back into vinyl. Brought it out of storage and lo and behold it still functioned properly. In early 2017 it started showing signs of age. With vinylengine forum guidance from members like Klaus and mrow2 (Don) I replaced the Steuerpimple, the AS Cam and the single-multi lift ring. Re-lubed everything with the alvania grease from mrow2. I cleaned up the plinth with Howards restore-a-finish and feed-n-wax. Added a new Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge and put it back into daily use. Eventually I'll disassemble the motor and re-lube it too. For now I'm just enjoying the tunes again.
Thanks for sharing the photo and story of your 1229. It looks beautiful! 8)

What receiver do you have it hooked up to?

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by BoblK » 28 Aug 2017 17:52

Tinkaroo wrote:
BoblK wrote:I purchased a new 1229 in 1973. Used it while going through college and for about 20 years. Then I put it and the albums in a heated basement in storage when I got into home theater stuff. In 2015 (and four houses later) I got back into vinyl. Brought it out of storage and lo and behold it still functioned properly. In early 2017 it started showing signs of age. With vinylengine forum guidance from members like Klaus and mrow2 (Don) I replaced the Steuerpimple, the AS Cam and the single-multi lift ring. Re-lubed everything with the alvania grease from mrow2. I cleaned up the plinth with Howards restore-a-finish and feed-n-wax. Added a new Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge and put it back into daily use. Eventually I'll disassemble the motor and re-lube it too. For now I'm just enjoying the tunes again.
Thanks for sharing the photo and story of your 1229. It looks beautiful! 8)

What receiver do you have it hooked up to?

It is a Technics SA-600 (70 WPC) that I bought new in 1978. I originally had a Marantz 1060 and the wood case for it. While the Technics is a nice receiver I sort of wish I had the 1060 just from a nostalgic point.

The speakers are the Large Advents (original) that I bought with the turntable. I rebuilt the crossovers and re-foamed the woofers last summer. New grill cloth is from Carl's Speakers (now retired from restoring speakers as a hobby in Connecticut). That was as close to the original speaker cloth as I could find. The photo makes it look sort of off color near the bottom but I think it must have been the reduction in the size of the photo that caused it. The speaker grills are perfect. I restored the finish with Howards products on those too.
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 28 Aug 2017 18:01

I was thinking it might have been a Technics but the angle was tricky. That is a nice receiver.

Nice speakers too and you did a great job on them. The fabric looks similar to that used on the Dynacos from the early 1970s.

I really like the vintage stuff too.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 28 Aug 2017 18:19

Can I ask a stupid question please?

The pics you lot show of 1219's and so on have the side edge of the platter a right angled vertical. I could wear my 1229 platter had a slightly angled edge as does my 701. Am I deluding myself?

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by dualcan » 28 Aug 2017 18:49

Hi,
As far as I can remember all the units up to the slanted black edged platters such as the 721-2 (four rows of "pimples") were 90 degrees. I did not measure this, so I might be off here. Take a try-square but measure the 90 degrees to the bottom surface / diameter. It might be that the concave mat is playing visual tricks.
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 28 Aug 2017 22:21

Not on the 701 it ain't :D I'm looking at it across the sitting-room now and the side edge of the platter is definitely on the slant slightly. The others I have here aren't, but I remember the late issue 1229 I had was and it surprised me as I don't think the others were - so long ago.

Like I said - a silly (Aspergic based) question...

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by dualcan » 29 Aug 2017 14:48

Hi,
As you said -so long ago!
I really did not pay any attention to that detail but since these single disk spinners did not have interchangeable platters, slight variances are of course possible.
The small automatics did share platters so there was not that much of a change. You did peak my interest and having a 601 on hand:
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it may be the same amount of slant you have on the 701.
As you said- so long ago, and now that you mentioned it, I will keep an eye out for that on the 1219/29 as well- just for kicks!
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by vinyl master » 14 Sep 2017 01:26

Just in case you guys wanted to see this, 12voltvids did a teardown and restoration of a 1229 recently...


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