Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Japi Roelofs » 14 Feb 2017 22:46

Thanks Tinkaroo, black it will be...

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by kitkid » 15 Feb 2017 02:22

Dual 1229 motor and strobe will not shut off. All points have been cleaned and lubed, contact points for audio mute switch and power off switch cleaned, capacitor changed. I can see and hear the switch operating as intended. My particular unit has the 220v/110v switch. It was wired in parallel in the 220v mode and would not shut off. I set the switch to 110v and changed the wiring and still will not shut off. Again the switch operates, I am at a loss. Any ideas?

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by dualcan » 15 Feb 2017 05:38

Hi Randy,
First make sure the power cable that plugs into the powerbox has the two power lines connected to pin 2 and pin 4. There may be a ground wire on pin 1. How can you tell? Remove the cover from the power box and look at the seven pins. Each one has a number from 1 (which is directly riveted to ground/chassis) to 7. When you plug that four pin (or 5 pin) plug/cable into the power box the pin nrs, coincide with the wires on the plug.
Remove the strobe and the four motor wires from the box carefully. the pins can be broken (and fixed if it happens...). A short angled tipped tweezer is great to reach in on the wires and remove each wire. Picture is a slightly different box for the 1216, but pins are identical:
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Next use an ohm meter to see if you have the following shorts.
1. slide the power switch/tab into 220 (it's marked).
You should now have a short between pins 6 and 7.
2. slide to 110.
You should have a short between 5 and 6,
and another short from 3 to 7
That checked, wire up:
pin3 = white
pin4 = green
pin6 = black
pin7 = yellow (or orange)
The strobe goes onto pins 5 and 7.
Now select 110 on the slider.
The only thing which can keep the motor on now is a shorted capacitor (soldered in the box).
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by kitkid » 15 Feb 2017 14:26

Thanks dualcan,

That makes more sense. The one issue I have is, there is not a #2 pin. I either have to solder a wire direct or replace the box with another.

To keep Tinkaroo happy, a little history on this particular model. The 1229 I have was originally sold in Europe (somewhere). It has a CS40 plinth with 50hz sticker on the back which I believe was sold that way. I read somewhere these were sold knowing they were being exported to the US. I will post pictures once I have the wiring sorted and the motor serviced.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by dualcan » 15 Feb 2017 15:25

Hi Randy,
If you have the pin still, you can solder it back into position with the aid of a piece of wire:
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First solder the wire into the broken pin, then re-position onto spot and solder bottom in place. It helps to thoroughly clean the pin and solder spots first.
If you don't have the pin then simply solder the ac wire on the two tabs provided internally:
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Since you are no longer using the plug in that instance, place a piece of tape or plastic inside the lid to seal off the plug hole over power pins.
BTW, I'd appreciate it if you could have a word with your local weatherman for the next week or so! I have to come Kitchener and am dreading the 401 etc....
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by kitkid » 16 Feb 2017 04:23

Hi Klaus,

Regardless of the weather, the 401 is the busiest highway in Canada! Will you be dining at the Concordia Club? Wiring is sorted, works like a charm. I do not have the missing pin or the cover. Thanks for your help and dedication!
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 16 Feb 2017 10:17

Your 1229 looks lovely! I like the special cover that opens at the front. 8)

Some of them came with a front opening cover on the plinth that had storage inside.

What cartridge do you have on it?

This is what the front opening storage panel looks like. It isn't mine and as Klaus will probably point out they have the counterweight on backwards. #-o
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 16 Feb 2017 14:04

My 1229 was bought with a white plinth with flip-down front, which I regretted later as the white paint chipped easily and it faded. The complex part-retractable cover was cool, but you still had to lift it to change records, so a bit pointless I thought.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by kitkid » 16 Feb 2017 14:09

I see the extra pin stored in the fold down front panel. I do not have that stackable pin so have not tried that option, I would not use it anyway. Eveything works as it should and does sound wonderful with the Shure M91ED cartridge (new aftermarket Stylus). I am fairly certain the M91ED was original equipment. Here's a pic of the CS40 sticker on the back. Is there a serial number resource that can provide more detail about this particular unit? Thanks,
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 16 Feb 2017 14:34

kitkid wrote:I see the extra pin stored in the fold down front panel. I do not have that stackable pin so have not tried that option, I would not use it anyway. Eveything works as it should and does sound wonderful with the Shure M91ED cartridge (new aftermarket Stylus). I am fairly certain the M91ED was original equipment. Here's a pic of the CS40 sticker on the back. Is there a serial number resource that can provide more detail about this particular unit? Thanks,
CS40 50Hz.jpg
As far as I know there is no serial number info available unless someone like Klaus has been bogarting it in his filing cabinet along with all of the original service manuals.

As far as the flip open top being pointless, perhaps if someone had a record on the platter and just wanted to play it again, they could flip open the front part and move the start switch to start.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by dualcan » 16 Feb 2017 17:20

Hi,
The Dual manufactured CH21 cover is the last version of these multi-section covers. The front lift up and slides back over the top much as a car roof:
http://dual.pytalhost.eu/1973-7/07.jpg
There was a special base, again Dual made, to overcome the missing height required for the 1229 stacking spindle. This base (CK21) was two parts as well and allowed the wooden exterior to be lifted an extra inch or so:
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/dua ... nths.shtml
This base did not have the front loading flap- that was the CK20.
The 1219/1229/and Q, have the serial number under the platter:
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Unfortunately, I do not have a list of serial or production numbers.
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by bguzman » 19 Feb 2017 01:26

I am truly enjoying my resurrected 1219. Among my small stash of carts is a Pickering XV-15 with a genuine D625 stylus. I have been wanting to try this on my 1219 but did not want to disassemble my existing cart and mount. On Wednesday my new, to me, sled came from Organ Donor Parts and I eagerly installed the Pickering on the cart mount. :shock: =D> On my system this combo is much more pleasing to my ears, less harshness on the highs and less surface noise. I'm spinning some Jean-Luc Ponty and really liking what I am hearing. I'm curious as to how the rest of you fall on the Pickering XV-15 vs the Shure M91ED sound.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by sam08861 » 02 Mar 2017 02:39

Looks like I'm late to the party... Finally got my 1229q/V15III almost finished. Just have to install some aluminum isolation puc feet (just for the looks, lol) and polish out the dust cover.

Thinking about the new Jico SAS sapphire that's going for 217 on ebay but not totally sure if it's worth it yet. Would love to read yet more options for those who've had theirs for a while now.

Running through a rehabbed Fisher 500B receiver into Wharfedale W70 speakers and seems to reasonable synergy among the three mid-fi components. Has brought new life to my vinyl listening.
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Plinth is mdf with veneer. May be 30 bucks in parts total and 3 hours labor, 5 hours start to finish including drying time in between. Easy to do, I've only worked with wood one or two times and never really worked with mdf or veneer before this and just needed a jigsaw, a hacksaw blade to cut the veneer, wood glue, clamps and 80 and 220 grit sand paper, all of which I had lying around.

4 pieces mdf 16.6 x 19 stacked, screwed and glued.
1st layer (from top) is a square, 2nd follows the contours of the cardboard suspension piece (I glued mine to the 2nd layer), 3rd layer same as 2nd but notched out where transport screws go. 4th layer just enough room for motor and rca jack mount to not interfere. Then iron on veneer (home depo always has oak veneer for $17, twice as much as I needed) and trim/sand stain. Also made a hole in the back for the cords.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 02 Mar 2017 10:46

sam08861 wrote:Looks like I'm late to the party... Finally got my 1229q/V15III almost finished. Just have to install some aluminum isolation puc feet (just for the looks, lol) and polish out the dust cover.

Thinking about the new Jico SAS sapphire that's going for 217 on ebay but not totally sure if it's worth it yet. Would love to read yet more options for those who've had theirs for a while now.

Running through a rehabbed Fisher 500B receiver into Wharfedale W70 speakers and seems to reasonable synergy among the three mid-fi components. Has brought new life to my vinyl listening.
dust cover.jpg
dual plinth.JPG
Plinth is mdf with veneer. May be 30 bucks in parts total and 3 hours labor, 5 hours start to finish including drying time in between. Easy to do, I've only worked with wood one or two times and never really worked with mdf or veneer before this and just needed a jigsaw, a hacksaw blade to cut the veneer, wood glue, clamps and 80 and 220 grit sand paper, all of which I had lying around.

4 pieces mdf 16.6 x 19 stacked, screwed and glued.
1st layer (from top) is a square, 2nd follows the contours of the cardboard suspension piece (I glued mine to the 2nd layer), 3rd layer same as 2nd but notched out where transport screws go. 4th layer just enough room for motor and rca jack mount to not interfere. Then iron on veneer (home depo always has oak veneer for $17, twice as much as I needed) and trim/sand stain. Also made a hole in the back for the cords.
It's never to late to join the party! =D>

That is a really beautiful 1229Q you fixed up Sam! 8)
The new plinth you built looks great and you did a really fine job of building it.

Enjoy the music and thank's for sharing some photos!

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by sam08861 » 03 Mar 2017 03:45

Thanks guys. Just got the feet and working on the dust cover. Will post pics when it's all done.

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