Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by rudkinst » 08 Feb 2018 00:21

Picked up this 1229 a few months ago. Have an extra sled for my 78 cart so now I can switch between my blues 33s and my dads old 78s nice and quick.

Maintenance ideas? It is in good shape, although when I set the size to 7 inch it will drop the needle at 10 inch.
Any ideas why? Just needs proper servicing?
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Hugues TR4 » 08 Feb 2018 10:33

Beautiful machine!
But, if it hasn't been serviced at all since it came out of the factory, it certainly needs a (great) bit of cleaning and re-oiling of the mechanism.
First download the service manual on this site and get rid of all the old solidified grease underneath with isopropyl alcool and a q-tip.
Don (mrow2) sells the original grease in small quantity on e-bay. You could send him a private message on this site, he also published a very well made first aid guide to fix our beloved old Dual's.

https://www.vinylengine.com/ve_download ... ervice.pdf

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Hugh.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by rudkinst » 08 Feb 2018 17:24

Thanks! Apparently it was serviced sometime in 2016, at least that is what I was told. Maybe I can find out why it won't move over to 7 inch 45 size somewhere in the service manual. Thanks again!

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by tranceman1989 » 10 Feb 2018 21:36

hi Guys!I bought dual 1229!Bought without a cartridge.accordingly, there were questions.1.Please see the photo below.Question.What's this headshell?need to solder something?
2.At the start of the turntable.that to "strike sharply".If you look into the stroboscop.There is a small shadow.What could it be?If you look spinning disk on the side.Everything is spinning smoothly and not a curve.

3.Worry about the disease "Steuerpimpel".It appears that when you run turntable,Tonearm stand up and move to plate.It needs to go down,but this does not happen and it will return back.I must say the tonearm is not adjusted.It must be adjusted.I have little experience.But if I take off the counterweight of the tonearm.But if I take off the counterweight of the tonearm.The question of what to do?To adjust the tonearm? Thank you very much for the tips!Really want to make work this turntable.
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by rudkinst » 11 Feb 2018 03:00

You have the "headshell". Looks like you need a "sled" (it holds the cartridge). Do you have one? It is a TK 14 and you can get them on Ebay for around $30 (Canadian). Once you attach the cartridge to the sled it will weigh the arm down and it will fall on the album. The manual for your turntable is on this website...download it and it can help you on how to adjust the turntable. If you need more help there is lots on this website!

Get the sled and cartridge installed and go from there. Hope that helps.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 11 Feb 2018 10:44

PLEASE!!!

Before you buy one of these things, look at its needs at forty five years old!! These may be 'auto' turntables, but they're NOT cheapo BSR's and Garrards with massively wide tolerances. Dualcan (Klaus) site has full pictorial strip downs and text on how to service them. Mrow2 (Don) also has servicing tips and can supply pimpels, sleeves for the height adjusting assembly, some of the main lubes and so on. Using alternative greases isn't recommended unless ALL the old stuff is removed and even then I'd rather play safe, but that's me :roll: it looks as though red chainsaw oil is ok for the main bearing, but I wish someone would buy a small (100 litre) 'can' of the current slightly viscous renotac which should be safely compatible with the original main bearing oil

As for fitting a cartridge, Thakker do original carriers still (the contact tips may need gentle buffing if another thread here is any indication) and they come up at varying high prices on eBay. Some carriers have a deeper skirt down the side but most new-old-stock now are the later types with no side-skirts on them and these are fine for most 'mm-type' cartridges - a good 1229 will take most out there, even top AT's and Ortofons costing many hundreds of dollars/pounds.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 11 Feb 2018 11:19

DSJR wrote:PLEASE!!

Before you buy one of these things, look at its needs at forty five years old!! These may be 'auto' turntables, but they're NOT cheapo BSR's and Garrards with massively wide tolerances. Dualcan (Klaus) site has full pictorial strip downs and text on how to service them. Mrow2 (Don) also has servicing tips and can supply pimpels, sleeves for the height adjusting assembly, some of the main lubes and so on. Using alternative greases isn't recommended unless ALL the old stuff is removed and even then I'd rather play safe, but that's me :roll: it looks as though red chainsaw oil is ok for the main bearing, but I wish someone would buy a small (100 litre) 'can' of the current slightly viscous renotac which should be safely compatible with the original main bearing oil

As for fitting a cartridge, Thakker do original carriers still (the contact tips may need gentle buffing if another thread here is any indication) and they come up at varying high prices on eBay. Some carriers have a deeper skirt down the side but most new-old-stock now are the later types with no side-skirts on them and these are fine for most 'mm-type' cartridges - a good 1229 will take most out there, even top AT's and Ortofons costing many hundreds of dollars/pounds.
DSJR is right about these turntables being 45 or more years old and probably needing some cleaning and relubrication. Never mix lubricants, old with different type of new or you will get a gooey mess. Once that is done it will serve you well for years to come.

Use the resources here, either Dualcan's servicing guide or Don's. and refer to the servicing guides in the service section above. If that looks too difficult then it is worth it to get an expert to service your turntable.I had my 604 and 621 done by Klaus Z. who used to work for Noresco and they are still running like new. Since then I've learned a lot from this forum.

I have perhaps a couple of dozen headshells since I have a lot of Dual turntables. The TK14 and 24 will work fine on these, but used ones may need a bit of cleaning of the terminals and cartridge clips as well as the contact strips of the tonearm after 40 plus years.

As far as steuerpimpels go there is really no substitute for a properly designed one such as the ones Don makes. A piece of wire insulation or pen refill might work OK for a while if you fiddle with it, but eventually will need replacement or adjustment and in my opinion is a very poor substitute. If you want good long term performance, then get the proper one for a few bucks. It is most definitely worth it and the best way to go.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by tranceman1989 » 12 Feb 2018 08:46

rudkinst, DSJR, Tinkaroo,Hi Guys. I bought a sled with a cartridge with a needle Dual tk134(tk14) whith ortofon m20 for $ 50. Everything worked! Hooray! The mechanics work perfectly as a clock. There is nothing cracking and noisy! The device with this needle gives just a great sound!) Many thanks to all who responded to the call to help I'll go to study the device further. It is after a day's work.Happy nice day :-)

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by rudkinst » 12 Feb 2018 12:33

enjoy!

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by rudkinst » 02 Mar 2018 02:26

Hello everyone. Just noticed my 1229 arm will not move over to 7 inch. Not that I intend to play a lot of 45s, but I am curious. Am I missing a setting? 12 inch works, 10 inch for my 78s works, auto changer works on all settings and speeds, but not 7 inch. Any advice?

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by TENER » 02 Mar 2018 08:04

Well I thought I should add this one here. My 1219 that I got last week. After doing a complete service with the help from all the great info here it works GREAT. To anyone here that is going to service one yourself please take the time to read all the info you can find. Don't just rush into it. After all the reading I have done I truly believe I saved myself many headaches and now have a great TT that will last me many years. I am a mechanic so the actual work was not to hard for me (Nothing like rebuilding a Transmission). But it was quite fun and I now have a better understanding and appreciation for a real high quality piece of equipment.

Does anyone know what brand plinth I have? I have not found another just like mine on the net. I have seen similar but none like it. Was it made by Dual or do you guys think it is a aftermarket company? Thanks
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 02 Mar 2018 09:58

I have seen a plinth just like yours before in photos, but it doesn't appear to be very common. I'm thinking they were built on small scale locally.

Dual did supply some plinths from the factory but in many cases they were supplied locally by distributors such as Noresco in Canada or United Audio in the US. Some of the factory supplied plinths are shown in the library in the Dual section.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 02 Mar 2018 18:14

You know and guessing inflation since 1975, my 1229 with white CK20? plinth with drop-down 'door' at the front and with front pivoting and sliding cover, would have been several hundred quid, even at run-out trade prices (my store bought around twenty five 1229's with an assortment of plinths and covers). Made new today, these machines would have to be the thick end of two grand (dollars or UK pounds) surely?

The batches we bought, you had three boxes. One was the deck, the other was choice of plinth type and the third the cover. Sometime around the mid to late 70's (I can't remember), these decks needed to be supplied as complete modules and Garrard and others then built everything in as a complete entity. All the Duals we had after the 1229's mentioned above, came with factory fitted plinths and the 601, 701 and 510 are my first memories (no 'auto-changers' after the 1229 in our once snooty dealer showroom, so the 1229Q and 1249 were ignored sadly by my employer, as well as the 1226 onwards, we skipped to the 500 and 600 models along with the 721 and 704 etc.).

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by ren2112 » 08 Mar 2018 15:32

Here's mine, serviced by Dualcan. I strongly recommend Dualcan servicing these decks. You are basically getting a new deck once he gets through with them. I also stuck a Denon 103r on this beast and it does a good job
Stackerphobs avert thine eyes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by BoblK » 08 Mar 2018 18:07

ren2112 wrote:Here's mine, serviced by Dualcan. I strongly recommend Dualcan servicing these decks. You are basically getting a new deck once he gets through with them. I also stuck a Denon 103r on this beast and it does a good job
Stackerphobs avert thine eyes :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
NICE!! What receiver is that below the 1229??

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