Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Charles LP » 06 Jun 2019 20:46

I've enjoyed my Dual 606 for the last couple of years, but always wanted to try an idler drive model. The 606 was needing a service, and I saw a 1229q that was restored for pretty much what I would have paid to service the 606. I bought it, along with a Shure M91 ED a couple of days ago, and have been quite impressed. I'm going to figure out how to add a little oil from time to time, and generally do what I can to keep it working. It's heavy, but not quite as heavy as my Toshiba SR 355.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Japi Roelofs » 11 Jun 2019 13:02

A couple of weeks ago I found this Dual 1219 on the local Craigslist-type website. It was in a bit of a state, very dirty and noisy. Which is why it was very cheap. So I gave it a good make-over, replaced steuerpimpel and capacitor, cleaned and lubed the motor and bearing, the works. It purrs like a kitten now. Well actually it's virtually silent.

A previous owner put it in a home made plinth with some nice veneer, which I had to restore and spruce up a bit. It didn't have a bottom cover so I made one out of 12 mm thick, very hard and very heavy Trespa, and reinforced the plinth with six wooden supports (corners and sides).

I found a NOS aftermarket Nude Shibata stylus for the M91 cartridge, and it really sings now. The stylus looks a bit cheap so I printed a little 'Shibata' sign an glued that to the stylus holder. Just because I can, you know...

It did come with a dust cover, but someone cut out the front panel (it probably sat in a cupboard or something) so it was looking pretty awful. I had a custom, clear acrylic cover made for it, which arrived today. I have to say it makes it look a lot better, pretty classy if I may say so myself.

The one problem it has though is that it won't stay up. The person who made it failed to follow the original design with cut-outs and rounded corners in the back. Trying to solve this now. Hoping that will end well...
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Japi Roelofs » 30 Jun 2019 14:36

Dust cover has now been fixed, so it will stay up properly.
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by T68 » 30 Jun 2019 17:09

Nice score and restoring job!

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 01 Jul 2019 18:32

Beautiful :D

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Japi Roelofs » 20 Sep 2019 17:05

Just showing a 1219 that I have been fixing up for someone. It has the CH21 dust cover, with the two piece front panel that can be flipped over and then slides over the main cover.
The owner bought the turntable new but it had been sitting idle for the last couple of years. Visually it was still in great condition, given the fact that it's about 50 years old now. The main problem was the motor that was completely frozen. So I gave that a proper overhaul. The idler wheel was still supple but the speed selector was frozen solid too, so that section was completely disassembled, cleaned and lubed. The main cam and linkage, as well as the tonearm lifter still worked like new, so I just left those alone. A new steuerpimpel, some cleaning of the headshell and muting contact points, a set of new RCA plugs and she's singing. I really love these old machines.

The dust cover had it's frontside hinges broken off. I still had that front piece, intact on an otherwise broken cover, so I planned to graft it to his cover. And what do you know... when I got it apart for a good cleaning, the piece slipped out of my hands and one of the hinges broke off. RAAAAHHH.
I managed to glue it back together with epoxy and so far it seems to hold.

But man, those dust covers really are a weak point on Duals. Compare that to the cover on my Technics, that can be raised with one finger and stays where I put it...
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by mikepick » 20 Sep 2019 23:33

That's a beauty!

I'm working on a 1219 now for myself, I got a UA plinth on the auction site for not too much but it's in rough shape. The woodwork on the plinth is one thing, but the dust cover is cracked back at the hinges and so I may reinforce it with a walnut piece. The veneer is going to need patching as well, and so I will probably stain it lightly before finishing to make sure it all matches well.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 22 Sep 2019 17:11

Japi Roelofs wrote:
20 Sep 2019 17:05
Just showing a 1219 that I have been fixing up for someone. It has the CH21 dust cover, with the two piece front panel that can be flipped over and then slides over the main cover.
The owner bought the turntable new but it had been sitting idle for the last couple of years. Visually it was still in great condition, given the fact that it's about 50 years old now. The main problem was the motor that was completely frozen. So I gave that a proper overhaul. The idler wheel was still supple but the speed selector was frozen solid too, so that section was completely disassembled, cleaned and lubed. The main cam and linkage, as well as the tonearm lifter still worked like new, so I just left those alone. A new steuerpimpel, some cleaning of the headshell and muting contact points, a set of new RCA plugs and she's singing. I really love these old machines.

The dust cover had it's frontside hinges broken off. I still had that front piece, intact on an otherwise broken cover, so I planned to graft it to his cover. And what do you know... when I got it apart for a good cleaning, the piece slipped out of my hands and one of the hinges broke off. RAAAAHHH.
I managed to glue it back together with epoxy and so far it seems to hold.

But man, those dust covers really are a weak point on Duals. Compare that to the cover on my Technics, that can be raised with one finger and stays where I put it...

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That looks like a beautiful 1219 Japi! 8)

Those front hinged dustcovers are rather rare,and rather delicate as you have found. I've never been lucky enough to own one like that myself. The regular smoked type covers are also subject to cracking at the hinge point too, so I lift mine off and set it safely aside when playing records to prevent further cracking or breakage. I remember noting the hinges on my uncle's Thorens were also rather flimsy too. I don't think they thought about these having to last 40-50 years. :old-git:

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by decp » 23 Sep 2019 13:34

I was given a 1229 last week. It need service but seems to be a great turntable. I'm sure I will enjoy it.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 23 Sep 2019 14:31

decp wrote:
23 Sep 2019 13:34
I was given a 1229 last week. It need service but seems to be a great turntable. I'm sure I will enjoy it.
Welcome to VE and congratulations on your new 1229! =D>

I am sure you will be very happy with it. Be sure to download the owners and service manual and check out some of the threads here on service and maintenance.

Just a friendly warning to not move the single/multi switch until you have the rubber sleeve of the mechanism serviced. If it hasn't been replaced since new it can break due to getting brittle with age and the result can be major damage to the tonearm "dearing ring" which will be very hard to fix.

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by nicholsaz » 16 Oct 2019 18:18

dualcan wrote:
13 Feb 2017 00:36
Hi,
Since my old Starret is only in mm, I had no choice...
I had a tiny discrepancy in the two pulley step heights, but that must be due to the pitch angle which most likely skewed my measurement:
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BTW, the rotor shaft is 4mm exactly so the pulleys bore hole must be 4mm clearance fit, I guess.
Thanks again,
k
I decided to model the 60Hz pulley in Tinkercad and 3D print it. Not sure if a plastic one would last though. I did it just to see the dimensions and taper for possible turning.
I will try it on my 1229Q some time this week and see how it works.

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"https://www.tinkercad.com/embed/ekeDzfTstZn?editbtn=1"

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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by mikepick » 17 Oct 2019 23:45

Here’s mine, pressed into service. Got this base in rough shape, needed a lot of work underneath and a good polish on the dust cover. The cover has small crack on the hint area but not enough to put a lot of work into fixing.

Is it placebo or does the 1219 sound better than the smaller platter models? I think it shouldn’t, but I feel it does.
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Re: Dual 1219/ 1229/ 1229Q Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 18 Oct 2019 17:17

mikepick wrote:
17 Oct 2019 23:45
Here’s mine, pressed into service. Got this base in rough shape, needed a lot of work underneath and a good polish on the dust cover. The cover has small crack on the hint area but not enough to put a lot of work into fixing.

Is it placebo or does the 1219 sound better than the smaller platter models? I think it shouldn’t, but I feel it does.

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That's a beautiful 1219 paired with an equally beautiful receiver! =D>

As far as whether the 1219 sounds better than the smaller platter models, the bigger platter models also have a longer tonearm which is a major advantage and the improved gimbal for the tonearm is probably an advantage also.

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