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Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 01 Dec 2016 19:03

I have several idler drives as well as direct drives. I used to have a belt drive 502 at one time which I liked.

I recently acquired a Dual 1249 belt drive as pictured. I really like the styling and control layout on this model.

Does anybody else have one or a similar model and what do you like about it? Let's try to keep this thread positive since their seems to be too much negativity these days. Let's accentuate the positive! =D>
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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by DSJR » 01 Dec 2016 19:14

Stop it now, PLEASE... :D I have enough decks already...

I have what is probably this deck's non-auto-changing parent, the 601. I nearly flogged it last summer because I couldn't quieten down a kind of bass drone in the background of the music I was playing. Checking motor and wiring did nothing and in the end I took some memory advice regarding Garrard 401's in past years and took the mains voltage down a little. The result is a perfectly quiet running (through the speakers) deck with an absolutely delightful sound to it, the M20E Dual/Ortofon cartridge sounding seriously good here and all but identical to a regular M20E Super I have (far better in the bass especially than an ordinary VMS20E in my opinion).

The grass is always greener though and I still hanker after another 1229 in good order. 1249's rarely come up here, although I did see a couple after I'd bought the 601 from a great seller in Germany who really cared about packing the platter, tonearm parts and lid separately from the deck proper.

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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 01 Dec 2016 19:33

I think the 601 was a bit earlier and came out around the same time as the 701 if my memory serves me well. It was also the first belt drive for Dual.

The strobe on that one is under the platter just like on the 1229 and 701.

The only change I'm making on my 1249 is to change the ant-resonator to the 2X one as used on the 721. I like that one a bit better. I'm not sure why they didn't use it on this model since it was used on the 721,704 and 1246.

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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by dualcan » 01 Dec 2016 23:15

one word answer:
Money!
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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 01 Dec 2016 23:26

dualcan wrote:one word answer:
Money!
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That has to be the reason but there is nothing wrong with us making little tweaks to improve performance that might have been done if money wasn't an issue. I wouldn't want to do anything that takes away from the spirit of the turntable however.

The same would go for someone making a plinth out of better materials since it looks better.

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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by jdjohn » 03 Dec 2016 06:25

Here are a couple of night shots of my 1249 in action. In these pics, I have an AT12Sa with Shibata stylus mounted.
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I'll take some daylight pics tomorrow.

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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 03 Dec 2016 10:24

jdjohn wrote:Here are a couple of night shots of my 1249 in action. In these pics, I have an AT12Sa with Shibata stylus mounted.
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I'll take some daylight pics tomorrow.
Your 1249 looks beautiful JD! 8)

It's nice to see it in action too!

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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by DualSpinsMyVinyl » 03 Dec 2016 23:38

I have always wanted a belt drive turntable to go along with my idler drive and direct drive units. An opportunity recently presented itself to rescue a 1249 from the throws of neglect. Obviously it had not been used for some time. Cosmetically it is in very good condition, however all lubrication was dried and the motor was the original with the chipmunk syndrome. Found a NOS motor, ordered the proper lubrications, new pimple, new retaining ring for the single/multi play mechanism ball berings, and had to replace the multi stacking spindle due to damage from shipping. After cleaning/re-lubing, and replacing the worn out parts, almost all is well. The turntable now runs at the proper speed, and almost all functions operate normally. Two things left to rectify: 1, the stacking spindle does not function (it does function normally in my 1219), have made small adjustments to the offset rocker cam (AW) according to the service manual having rotated the cam a full 360 degree's in total with no success, and 2, need to change the capacitor that suppresses the spark/pop at shutoff. Otherwise have been enjoying the new turntable.

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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 06 Dec 2016 11:47

DualSpinsMyVinyl wrote:I have always wanted a belt drive turntable to go along with my idler drive and direct drive units. An opportunity recently presented itself to rescue a 1249 from the throws of neglect. Obviously it had not been used for some time. Cosmetically it is in very good condition, however all lubrication was dried and the motor was the original with the chipmunk syndrome. Found a NOS motor, ordered the proper lubrications, new pimple, new retaining ring for the single/multi play mechanism ball berings, and had to replace the multi stacking spindle due to damage from shipping. After cleaning/re-lubing, and replacing the worn out parts, almost all is well. The turntable now runs at the proper speed, and almost all functions operate normally. Two things left to rectify: 1, the stacking spindle does not function (it does function normally in my 1219), have made small adjustments to the offset rocker cam (AW) according to the service manual having rotated the cam a full 360 degree's in total with no success, and 2, need to change the capacitor that suppresses the spark/pop at shutoff. Otherwise have been enjoying the new turntable.
I'm happy to hear that you are enjoying your new 1249. =D>

I'm sure it will repay you in spades for the love and care you have shown it.
If you get a chance sometime we would love to see a photo of it!

I should be getting mine later today, so will try to provide an updated photo sometime in the near future.

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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by eschanen » 06 Dec 2016 16:30

Here here! I love my 1249. I have a really nice 1219 as well but I choose the 1249 over it most of the time. I guess I like the belt drive aspect since I have so many idler drive turntables, the tonearm, the platter, the more modern styling (cool fonts, although I wish the metal plate(s) in front went all the way across the front like on a 1219.

I think the 1249 gets a bad rap because it replaced a legend and had the motor flaw, which surely left a bad taste in a lot of Dual owners' mouths. Yeah, it is more plastic inside, but then so is every Dual made at and after this point, from what I've seen. It is more finnicky to get adjusted just right, for whatever reason.

I really just wish I had a CK20 base for it.

Here's mine in cabinet:
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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by jdjohn » 06 Dec 2016 19:38

Here are some more pics of mine, including a few close-ups.
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My base has a tray underneath instead of feet. And the plinth has a simulated wood grain vinyl veneer, not real wood.
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Close-up of the logo. The 'Dual' logo rotates to expose a hole where the set-down screws are located. I swapped the AT cartridge from my earlier pics and mounted this Pickering.
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Close-up of the controls. The repeat (infinity sign) switch is up front, tonearm cueing lever, tonearm height/lift knob (back left), anti-skate dial (which has markings for conical, elliptical, and Shibata (CD4)), single/multi-stack lever in the very back right.
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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by DualSpinsMyVinyl » 06 Dec 2016 23:57

These are images of the 1249 that I was able to rescue and return to operation:
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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by Tinkaroo » 09 Dec 2016 10:39

Those are some great stories and photos of your Dual 1249 guys! 8)

It is nice to see them getting the love and attention they deserve. =D>

I finally got mine a few days ago, and although it was working fine beforehand it didn't want to do so once it got here. After lots of fretting, some despair and a great deal of Help from some of you guys we finally got it working and performing like a champ.

I've attached a couple of photos of it with my Sansui 2000X as proof that there really is life after death as Ian Hunter once asked. At least where Duals are concerned 40 plus years on.
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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by jdjohn » 09 Dec 2016 16:38

I'm getting a little misty-eyed ;) Beauties, all of them!! I'm very jealous of all of y'all's kick-a$$ plinths! 8)

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Re: Dual 1249 Appreciation Thread

Post by jdjohn » 13 Dec 2016 15:15

Here is a pic of my counterweight. I believe this was the precursor to the infamous '2X anti-resonator' version. Mine has some separation at the top, so sags a bit, but the aluminum weight itself does not touch the bottom of the housing. I may have caused this separation problem when I inadvertently unscrewed the whole thing at one point. I got it back together - flat spring in the shaft compressed and all - and it seems to work just fine, but I'm guessing this is not how it is supposed to look.
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I have a replacement on the way, so will see how it compares in appearance...hopefully no sagging.

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