Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

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Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by ehtoo » 01 Nov 2014 11:03

I'm soliciting the opinions of forum members as to what you'd consider to be the best of the three TT's. Perhaps you can also add why you think your pick is the best.

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by Tinkaroo » 01 Nov 2014 11:27

They are all excellent turntables, but the 1019 is definitely the cutest!! :wink:

Some think the 1229 is tops and some think the 1019 is, but the 1219 is definitely a contender unlike Marlon Brando in On The Waterfront.

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by DSJR » 01 Nov 2014 11:29

I'd probably say the 1229, although some say the 1219 has better fittings?

I love the 1019 though, but the autochanger roots still show a little (arm not level when playing single records and the lift lower on auto rather abrupt unless the cueing device is manually set before each cycle).

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by ehtoo » 01 Nov 2014 12:51

So, in other words, get one of each to add to my 1214.

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by ludite » 01 Nov 2014 16:18

answers are going to be a little subjective. the 1019 has a 10" platter but is the heavier of the 3 at 7 1/2 lbs vs 12" 6 1/2 lbs of the 1219/1229. the 1219/1229 have better tonearms that will give you more options as to cart & alinement. the 1219 & 1229 are basically the same except for the strobe on the 1229. the 1229 may of had the cue lever issue fixed.( early versions of the 1219 the cue only worked in s.p. mode) the 1229Q has a different head shell & i think gimbal,it's also wired for quadraphonic. all of them are good, so i imagine a lot of your decision will boil down to aesthetics. love the look of the 1019 in the wedge plinth.

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by dualcan » 01 Nov 2014 17:01

Hi,
As stated before, and specifically judging by performance of the three, forget the 1019. It is totally outclassed by the 1219/29, by the tone-arm.
There are no performance/spec difference among 1219, 1229 and the 1229Q. They are just upgraded with different looks (gimbal), strobe setup, and other cosmetics. The real usable difference comes in the second version of the 1219 with the fix for "multi" cuing.
The strobe, either external as in the 1219 or (any other older unit), versus the inboard variant does not change the drive specs, nor are either version as accurate as the later produced quartz strobe systems. Keep in mind, before you recognize wow, (speed fluctuation) it is going to be very evident on even the most crude speed control system.
The 1019 has all the panache of the era and is a good performer for sure, but the others surely overshadow it, just as the DD' and belt drives overshadow the rim drives. To each era, the proper changer!
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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by mrow2 » 01 Nov 2014 23:23

I have a very soft spot for the 1019, it can be a nice machine to work on but particularly fussy when it comes to the old lubes, which must be either removed or loosened in places which never see the light of day. The appearance of 1019 grows on you. I have 3 or 4 at the moment, all run like clocks (occasionally, an opened closet door yields a small surprise). This is a very good machine and the (lack of) clatter of the levers is downright enticing, i.e. they make a nice sound when running.

My overall favorite is the 1219 v1, I own two of those and one v2 and I like them all. Eventually I'd like to have new idlers for them all, which would in turn allow them to be just about as quiet as when new. These units are mechanical puzzles for sure, but that's part of the fun I guess. 1229 and 1229Q are classy units for sure, but levers are plastic not cast/ machined aluminum. The strobe is clever and one has the impression that it was a way to minimize development costs for a while (giving added production life to the basic 1219 machine) while they "geared up" for future designs which could include a platter-edge strobe. So I vote for 1219 v1 (I think), but for pure design elegance it's the 1019.

This discussion occurs about once every year or two.

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by vinyl master » 02 Nov 2014 00:09

Oh, just buy all three! You KNOW you want to! Personally, if it was up to me (which it's not), this discussion would include a nice 1009, as well...Some might add a 701 or 721 to the mix...But, I have a soft spot for the 1009, as it takes up a very small footprint, and it's like owning a piece of history in my hands...The 1019 is a very close relative to my 1009SK, but they are both just lovely turntables in every sense! Personally, I'd say buy whichever one looks at you like a lost little puppy first...and then save it from it's misery... :mrgreen: And with many of these Duals, the price is so right, why would you NOT want to??? Availability might be another factor, as I see a lot more 1019's on CL than I do most other Duals, but they go quickly...Saw two of them in the past few months, and both gone before I could blink...

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by ehtoo » 02 Nov 2014 03:06

There is a local fellow going by the name DualDoctor who sells chromed 1019's. I must admit, they are striking and tempting.

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by Tinkaroo » 02 Nov 2014 09:55

mrow2 wrote:I have a very soft spot for the 1019, it can be a nice machine to work on but particularly fussy when it comes to the old lubes, which must be either removed or loosened in places which never see the light of day. The appearance of 1019 grows on you. I have 3 or 4 at the moment, all run like clocks (occasionally, an opened closet door yields a small surprise). This is a very good machine and the (lack of) clatter of the levers is downright enticing, i.e. they make a nice sound when running.

My overall favorite is the 1219 v1, I own two of those and one v2 and I like them all. Eventually I'd like to have new idlers for them all, which would in turn allow them to be just about as quiet as when new. These units are mechanical puzzles for sure, but that's part of the fun I guess. 1229 and 1229Q are classy units for sure, but levers are plastic not cast/ machined aluminum. The strobe is clever and one has the impression that it was a way to minimize development costs for a while (giving added production life to the basic 1219 machine) while they "geared up" for future designs which could include a platter-edge strobe. So I vote for 1219 v1 (I think), but for pure design elegance it's the 1019.

This discussion occurs about once every year or two.
I was wondering what the difference would be between the 1219 V1 versus V2 versions?

There was also a 1229 and a 1229Q which was basically wired for quad and had a different headshell look and allowable cartridge weight.

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by duastar » 02 Nov 2014 10:17

Tinkaroo wrote: I was wondering what the difference would be between the 1219 V1 versus V2 versions?
As far as I know - two plastic pieces in V2 instead of metallic in V1, one attached to main lever, the other to cueing lever (and hence the different shapes of main lever and linking lever). Both have no relation to TT specs. Right? I have both versions, can make a photos on request.

One more strange thing appeared on later versions is aluminium cube in far left corner, on my point of view is too lightweight for balancing or suspension resonance affecting. Who will explain the meaning? The earlier version also have a nut for this cube.

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by DSJR » 02 Nov 2014 13:37

Yeah, just buy 'em all :D

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by vinylrayk » 05 Nov 2014 04:18

mrow2 wrote:I have a very soft spot for the 1019, it can be a nice machine to work on but particularly fussy when it comes to the old lubes, which must be either removed or loosened in places which never see the light of day. The appearance of 1019 grows on you. I have 3 or 4 at the moment, all run like clocks... So I vote for 1219 v1 (I think), but for pure design elegance it's the 1019.
My sentiments exactly, sort of. I have a restored 1219 and two restored 1019's. While I won't argue with anyone about the relative rankings of the 1019/1219/1229 in terms of performance, I think the 1019 is the major milestone of the 3 in terms of bringing to the marketplace something that could unabashedly call itself an 'automatic turntable' as opposed to a 'record changer'. It could truly track high quality cartridges at under one gram, and it included a very effective and well implemented anti-skate system.

As far as the 1219 having a 12" but 'only' 6-1/2 pound platter vis-a-vis the 1019's 10" 7-1/2 pound platter, I suspect that the 6-1/2 pounds of the 1219 is concentrated at a larger radius, and if we compared the effective MR*2 of the two platters we would find that the designers did not shortchange the 1219!

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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by dualcan » 05 Nov 2014 23:44

Hate to spoil your theory but the 1019 is only an improvement over the 1009 which was The milestone.
What the 1019 brought over the 1009 was certainly not the looks but three important improvements
a. A variable and precise Antiskate system (the first for Dual and was used for all subsequent units)
b. a rotating single play spindle
c. A cueing lift system.
All specs are identical for the two units except for the allowance of the antiskate system.
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Re: Best Dual - 1019,1219 or 1229?

Post by vinylrayk » 07 Nov 2014 03:34

dualcan wrote:Hate to spoil your theory but the 1019 is only an improvement over the 1009 which was The milestone.
What the 1019 brought over the 1009 was certainly not the looks but three important improvements
a. A variable and precise Antiskate system (the first for Dual and was used for all subsequent units)
b. a rotating single play spindle
c. A cueing lift system.
All specs are identical for the two units except for the allowance of the antiskate system.
Regards,
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Not to worry, no theories here to be spoiled. As I said, I'm not out to pick a fight with anyone over the ranking of these 'tables. I was aware of, and don't contest, the technical points made about the 1009. From my perspective, I view the 1019 design as a 1009 replete with tuxedo. For me, it was the 1019 that made the more memorable entrance to the home audio party. No theory here, just my opinion. Last time I checked the forum rules, my opinion is as good as yours.

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