How did you end up with a Dual?

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by lbls1 » 10 Nov 2018 18:41

Wow you guys really like your crafts. I really love my 1246. It produces an amazing sound, and it's a good changer to boot. It can be finicky at times, but overall it's a great turntable.

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by vinyl master » 10 Nov 2018 19:47

islandkraut wrote:
10 Nov 2018 06:34
Just as Ehtoo, dualcan and others, I came to my Duals through my parents, my Dad specifically. He was a Radio TV repair trade master, and ran a Radio/TV repair shop in Germany while I grew up in my teenage years. Every machine we had at home, (and there were may due to one of his personality streaks being a hoar... erm... hunter gatherer) was some sort of rescue from the repair shop, in some case never picked up repair jobs, abandoned ones for cost, or displays from the retail section.

As such, we had a 601 running in my parents den, and, one Christmas, after mastering soldering and some begging, I inherited a decent 721, which was my machine for years. Eventually, my youth caused me to go digital, and emigrating to the states caused me to abandon all of the 220V equipment.

Recently, my Dad passed away, and now facing the basement, I decided to resurrect the collection, having started successfully with the 721, which (after some solder work, a few caps and cables) again is atop the entertainment center now 40 years later and 7200 miles away.
The most recent trip, I ...erm... rescued the 1228 and 1226, the former of which runs again as well. Waiting for later trips are the original 601, 1209, 1215, a 1224 in HS130 amp, and a wrecked three speed 1010).

The one amazing thing about those Duals is that they are almost indestructible, running again with a bit of new lube, despite having sat for decades in Dads damp and dank Keller... While there is rust on some parts, the mechanism still works.
Might as well save 'em all, islandkraut! It'll give you plenty of winter projects to focus on, instead of thinking about the cold!! :D

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by DasherF » 10 Nov 2018 23:13

I'll chime in and say vm's thoughts are words to the wise...it helps us understand how it works and is very rewarding after the dings and glitches are fixed. Also, depending on your age, knowing it's good for another 25-30 years (for me... well, it's a ways off) is nice, too.
ALSO, we're all here to help if you need.
I've gotten some terrific help through these guys, whether at the time or through the archives. Read much.
Footnote... I only had time to read the first paragraph earlier today and I responded to that... I just read the last paragraphs... I feel as if I have told you nothing you didn't know, but to hang on to them... your Father will be proud...by the way, I "only" have 5 Duals...nice batch!

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by islandkraut » 11 Nov 2018 02:58

@ Dasher and VM,

Thanks for the kind words, and I must say without the posts of this forum, none of the old "junk" would be running now.
Whether it is the VinylEngine library to start with, or the steady and unwavering advice of folks like mrow, dualcan, and others, or the parts from dualfred, it provides the needed support one needs to make these things spin again.

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by DasherF » 16 Nov 2018 00:47

I'm going to post this here, as it involves a Dual...one of our members PM'd me about a listing on a sales website regarding a Dual...after contacting the party, findIng he still had it, I PM'd our member back, telling him of the info...and to shoot the breeze for a bit...when I submit the PM, it went into the Outbox...I tried a few more times and got the same result...Outbox...any ideas why it didn't get to our member?

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by gatorbaitor » 21 Nov 2018 23:38

Bought a Dual 704 at an auction. Came without base and cartridge. I had a Dual 504 and simply replaced guts. But the 704 starts briefly then stops. After grounding the power cap, unit started again very briefly then stopped. Does not restart after stopping. The strobe light comes on and stops with the platter. Pulled the power cap and it is within specs. Didn't check it under load though. Checked the fuse and it is fine. Cannot figure out where to look next. Could the power cap (110) be bad under load but not show it?

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by Spinner45 » 22 Nov 2018 01:50

gatorbaitor wrote:
21 Nov 2018 23:38
Bought a Dual 704 at an auction. Came without base and cartridge. I had a Dual 504 and simply replaced guts. But the 704 starts briefly then stops. After grounding the power cap, unit started again very briefly then stopped. Does not restart after stopping. The strobe light comes on and stops with the platter. Pulled the power cap and it is within specs. Didn't check it under load though. Checked the fuse and it is fine. Cannot figure out where to look next. Could the power cap (110) be bad under load but not show it?
I don't know why you're messing around with "power caps", when if the strobe goes out, it's part of the primary area of the transformer.
Nothing to do with "power caps".
And being elementary, the troubleshooting of that area should be easy.
Have you confirmed the stability of the mains switch?

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by olddude55 » 24 Nov 2018 15:34

Friend gave me one. Suddenly, they're like cats. One isn't enough.
Just put a 1219 into service last week. Wotta device! Best way to describe it, iron fist in a velvet glove.

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by DasherF » 24 Nov 2018 16:34

Oh, jeez! That's the best analogy I heard yet! "The ol' turntable guy (or lady, where applicable)"!
They DO grow on ya', yes?

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by gatorbaitor » 26 Nov 2018 17:43

How do I check the 'mains switch'? The service manual talks about a 'power switch' (106) but I am unable to find it from the diagram shown.

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by T68 » 27 Nov 2018 05:49

Just got my second Dual, a 601, that I won in an online auction. Already have a nice little 1225.
The 601 is in great condition. Everything is there and the dust cover is without any cracks and scratches.
All automatic functions works and it sounds fine. Yup, it's a keeper!
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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by islandkraut » 27 Nov 2018 08:52

Nice plinth on that 601!

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by T68 » 27 Nov 2018 15:01

Thanks! Yes it looks really nice even though I suspect it´s some kind of faux veneer :-)

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by DasherF » 27 Nov 2018 23:54

Was the veneer stock? I'm not familiar with the 600's and 700's.

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Re: How did you end up with a Dual?

Post by Tinkaroo » 28 Nov 2018 10:00

DasherF wrote:
27 Nov 2018 23:54
Was the veneer stock? I'm not familiar with the 600's and 700's.
Generally real wood veneer was offered up to the very early 1970s, and models after that had vinyl veneer as a cost saving measure.

Models such as the 1229 and 701 had real wood veneer. Models such as the 604,621,704,721 and 1249 all had vinyl wood veneer. This was done to make them cost competitive against other companies, since the 721 was offered at the same price as the earlier 701 in spite of inflation.

If you really like the look of real wood then building your own is always an option worth considering or you could get an earlier real wood veneer plinth and swap out your chassis into it.

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