Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

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Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by apastuszak » 09 Nov 2019 01:59

I have this itch to buy a used Dual and try and restore it, as an educational project. Still patting myself on the back for the recap and belt swap on the 1257, I have the urge to see if I can duplicate my success.

So, I'm curious which Dual models are ones that are "desirable" and which ones are "avoid at all costs."

I will say, from an aesthetic viewpoint, I REALLY prefer the wood boxes over the silver duals from the 1980s.

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by ren2112 » 09 Nov 2019 02:32

1019
1219, 1229
701, 721
just my opinion

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by apastuszak » 09 Nov 2019 02:50

ren2112 wrote:
09 Nov 2019 02:32
1019
1219, 1229
701, 721
just my opinion
Thank you. I'll do some homework on those models.

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by apastuszak » 09 Nov 2019 02:50

Is idler wheel or belt drive preferred from a restoration perspective?

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Post by ren2112 » 09 Nov 2019 02:56

idlers are usually paired up with heavier platters so I've only stuck with those, with the exception of the 700 series, but those aren't belt driven either

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by apastuszak » 09 Nov 2019 03:22

Now the trick is finding one in a restorable condition that doesn't cost a fortune. With the vinyl resurgence, everyone with a turntable suddenly wants $200 for them.

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Post by circularvibes » 09 Nov 2019 03:42

My top 5 would be 1009, 1019, 1225, 1229, 1229Q. I like the 700 series but would not be up to restoring a direct drive. I currently own a 1009 (my favourite), 1218 and 1225. I would only part with the 1218 if I found a friend in need and wanted to restore it as the start lever acts up. A 1019 would be my second choice for the antiskating feature. I like stacking talking books, classical/opera sets, singles both 7 and 10 inch. For some reason I prefer the 1009 for the first generation headshell. No technical reason for it, just feels better to me especially if I am playing odd sized or damaged discs manually. If you decide on a 1009 or 1019, keep an eye on discarded console stereos or cheap ones at thrift stores. They will need restoring but will likely be cheaper or free and better cared for. The better 1200 series can be found in consoles, but not near as often.

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Post by mrow2 » 09 Nov 2019 06:06

Add the 1228 to the last post. And I agree, 1225 is right in there too. Any Dual is going to require TLC and an understanding on how to maintain it. There are other models which would be quite nice as well. The nice thing about the 1218 and the 1228 is that they are great turntables and not nearly as complex (and potentially frustrating) as their very similar but bigger siblings, the 1219 and 1229.

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Post by vinylrayk » 09 Nov 2019 17:17

I'm not sure I could pick out five, but if it helps my two favorite Duals are the 1019 and 1219. In my stable I have two 1019's, one 1019 organ donor, one 1219, one 1229Q, and one compromized 1228 that I turned into a FrankenTable which I use for devious experimentation. I could and will likely deacquisition the 1229Q, but if forced to give up all but one I would hang on to one of the 1019's.

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Post by T68 » 09 Nov 2019 20:41

The 601 (and sibling 1249) are two really solid and nice looking Dual belt drives

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by 62vauxhall » 10 Nov 2019 17:39

Idler drive Duals are my preference and I too choose the original 1009 from the early 1960’s as my favourite model.

Their direct drives are very good if there are no electronics issues. I used a 701 for nearly 10 years before trading it off in 2017.

Dual belt drives should come with a caution. It would seem that in recent times, only replacement belts from Thakker will permit the speed selector to work. I successfully used generic belts in the past but that is no longer so.

A belt drive Dual needs a supple belt a la Thorens and those on the market now, probably all made in China, are too thick and stiff to allow movement on the stepped pulley. They all seem to want to stay in the 45 position.

Beware the claims by online vendors. Width and length are all they go by but contrary to what I once thought, rubber belts are not all created equal.

Not a problem getting a suitable Dual belt but it does happen to be the most expensive one on the market.

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by apastuszak » 10 Nov 2019 18:50

62vauxhall wrote:
10 Nov 2019 17:39
Idler drive Duals are my preference and I too choose the original 1009 from the early 1960’s as my favourite model.

Their direct drives are very good if there are no electronics issues. I used a 701 for nearly 10 years before trading it off in 2017.

Dual belt drives should come with a caution. It would seem that in recent times, only replacement belts from Thakker will permit the speed selector to work. I successfully used generic belts in the past but that is no longer so.

A belt drive Dual needs a supple belt a la Thorens and those on the market now, probably all made in China, are too thick and stiff to allow movement on the stepped pulley. They all seem to want to stay in the 45 position.

Beware the claims by online vendors. Width and length are all they go by but contrary to what I once thought, rubber belts are not all created equal.

Not a problem getting a suitable Dual belt but it does happen to be the most expensive one on the market.
That has been my experience. On my 1257, only the Thakker belt worked properly. I have a whole mess of belts I need to return.

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by Hugues TR4 » 11 Nov 2019 19:44

1019
1218
1219
1229
I have no experience with any other belt or direct drive models, so I couldn't give any advice.
I use my 1229 and 1219 regularly (included in my main stereo combo's, together with a Thorens TD 146) and bought my first 1019 in the late 60ies.
Still extremely impressed by their sturdiness and reliability.
Cheers,

Hugh

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by 62vauxhall » 11 Nov 2019 20:40

Yes, sturdy is right.

I find it very appealing, using a device such a turntable which is doing the same job and doing it just as well as when it was new. Since 1963 or 56 years ago in the case of my two 1009’s.

It rivals my Sunbeam toaster made 1955 and Sunbeam percolator from 1956. Both of those work as well as they ever did.

EDIT: It’s great to have such things that are nearly as old as I am and still chugging away.

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Re: Whaty do you consider the Top 5 Dual models to be

Post by sotpal » 11 Nov 2019 21:16

Although i love Duals, i start to believe the best Dual is a non-Dual...

P.S. Just don't buy any 728Q, 741Q or the "plastic" series of that ERA. The acoustic feedback they get at high volume is horrible and impossible to cure unless you build a plinth made of concrete for them.

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