A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

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A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by Mrs Ritchie Valens » 09 Sep 2019 19:46

So, as some of you already know, I am thinking of getting a Dual 1019, or a 1229. I am really leaning more twards the 1019. But, I really would like to get one that has been restored. The reason being is that I wouldn't have to put more money into fixing it/ getting parts that it didn't come with. Is this at all possible, and where can I find a restored Dual?
I do realize, the restored Duals, or any turntable that has been restored will cost more money. But, the way I see it, with a restored table pretty much it's complete. I could, however, be wrong on this. Someone would have to tell me otherwise. The good thing about having a restored table is that it comes with everything, needle, dustcover, and whatnot.

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by Belmont » 10 Sep 2019 18:19

Bill Bohey at FixMyDual.com sells lovingly-restored Duals, and always has a 1019 or 1229 in stock. The site is extremely out-dated (almost to the point of being recursively fashionable), but his work is top-notch.

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by mrow2 » 10 Sep 2019 19:26

What one person's version of a restored table is, is not necessarily the same as another's. You should make a list and ask some questions. Your assumption about these requiring a lot of parts is pretty much nonsense; they normally might need a steuerpimpel and then maybe a couple more things if a 1219 or 1229. One of the most important elements is the quality servicing of a motor, and shops will take shortcuts. The only way to guarantee the level of servicing on that is to oversee it yourself. Also a restoration does not mean it comes with a dust cover, or one which has caringly been polished.

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by Mrs Ritchie Valens » 14 Sep 2019 16:11

Okay, thanks for the replies. I guess when you hear the word, "restored", you think something, or somethings have been restored.

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by lbls1 » 14 Sep 2019 16:31

As a consumer, you should spell out what you are expecting from any new or used/restored unit. Many crafts may come complete from a restoration, but often times you may find crafts that are missing a dust cover, phono cartridge, or all of the accessories that were available when new. Dual is a very high quality brand, and its restored turntables happen to be among the better vintage crafts that have great soundstages and are durable.

I was fortunate in purchasing my 1246 in excellent condition despite it needing some service. One should bear in mind that the best way to get longevity out of their crafts is to not abuse them and to use good care when handling the units.

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by Zvezda » 15 Sep 2019 05:43

I bought a restored 1019 from the aforementioned FixMyDual.com. Since I live in Des Moines, it was a five minute drive to his shop and I picked it up in person. He has racks full of vintage Duals. The mechanism works perfectly and the motor runs silently. He includes a new wooden base and a new dust cover with the turntable. He also mounts and aligns an Ortofon OM-10 cartridge to it. I hate the Ortofon OM series so I replaced with an Audio Technica. I also had to adjust the auto lift height of the arm so it wouldn't interfere with the dust cover during auto operation. Took less than a minute.

Overall, a good purchase in my opinion. It retired my Thorens to my second-tier system.

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by vinyl master » 15 Sep 2019 09:31

Another thing, too, to look out for...If you can buy a turntable from someone who deals in vintage audio and has done this work for many years, that's a bonus...Those guys will know these Duals inside and out, which is not always the case with just ANY audio installation/home theatre/surround sound specialist...Buying from an older person is good, because more it's more likely that the turntable was well cared for by that person, esp. one going on 50-60 years of good service now...Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, too...As mentioned, Bill@fixmydual.com is a good source and has been recommended before...

http://www.fixmydual.com/

Have you looked at any of the turntables for sale at Action Electronics, too, Mrs. V? :-k

http://www.action-electronics.net/itemsforsale.html

You could always call them to see if they have any Duals in stock...

I see that 1019 went fast, but if you're patient, another one is bound to come up! :wink:

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by DSJR » 15 Sep 2019 13:20

Old Duals to be honest, are for nut-cases like me to fettle and wallow in 60's/70's nostalgia. Lovely engineering and the 1219/1229 can still perform and 'sound' very well with quite expensive cartridges (the 1019 needs more careful cartridge choice and use as its auto-change roots are still on show - the arm slopes down when playing one record and it isn't as 'long' as the 1219/29 models).

My endless fondness for Duals is more my turntable 'thing' really and I'll love 'em for ever. Common sense in today's terms has nothing to do with it :D

The 1229/1219/1249 needs VERY DESPERATE replacement of certain parts to remain working and reliable but the best re-sellers should know and Mrow2 here supplies suitable parts to the likes of us who can do this ourselves.

Common sense dictates to this UK based bod, that a current Rega 3 with AT520/VM95-EN or better, would be a far better bet and with rather less background noise and rumble and a far superior tonearm (the RB330 is an internal work of art despite agricultural appearance), but there's nothing to twiddle with or fettle once the cartridge is set up, it's too simple for its own good and for some like me it's, well, too boringly effective. I get similar vibes from a superbly suspended 1972 Beogram 3000/SP12 cartridge, where you set record size (speed is automatically linked) and gently push a neat circular pad, the arm quickly glides over and lowers within just a few seconds - sounds quite good too - and at the end the stylus is quickly raised and rapidly whisked back to the rest position with barely a click and no clonks/noises...

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by lbls1 » 15 Sep 2019 17:11

I don't have a lot of faith in the new Rega tables despite the manufacturer being on the scene awhile. My assessment may be inaccurate, but its my impression. What I am leading to is that one should not discount the Dual crafts, especially the belt driven crafts from the vintage years of '76 to approx. '82, with some exceptions. This vintage period represents the highest form of the genre, and crafts that were designed and made after this period, on average, were less competitive in terms of durability, specs, and overall quality. There are exceptions, but the exceptions are generally way beyond the price range of typical consumer prices for these crafts.

If you are truly into Dual turntables, compare all of their crafts, and also look closely at their competitors in this genre.

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by 62vauxhall » 16 Sep 2019 16:37

I suppose it’s all up quirks and foibles of the end user. I’m not so interested in a Dual’s sonic character as I am in their engineering and functionality.

My first new turntable was a 1015 bought in 1968 for $100 + $10 for the base. Not with me anymore but since then I’ve had a fair few Dual changers. Others too for that matter. When paring down the number, I opted to keep the oldest which was a pair of original 1009’s.

Some of the others, if not all, would have been considered superior tables but none “spoke” to me as did the 1009’s.

I was very impressionable in the 1960’s and even as a kid, was fixated by records and turntables/record players. It may have been an uncle or it may have my parent’s Austrian tenant, but somewhere I got the notion that Dual turntables were the best you could get and that was in the 1000 series era.

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by vinyl master » 18 Sep 2019 06:02

62vauxhall wrote:
16 Sep 2019 16:37

Some of the others, if not all, would have been considered superior tables but none “spoke” to me as did the 1009’s.

I was very impressionable in the 1960’s and even as a kid, was fixated by records and turntables/record players. It may have been an uncle or it may have my parent’s Austrian tenant, but somewhere I got the notion that Dual turntables were the best you could get and that was in the 1000 series era.
Ah, so they "spoke" to you, too, eh, 62vauxhall? :-k

I don't know, but there is just something about those 1000 series Duals that get me every time and it might be an emotional thing, too...With record players, it's definitely about the sound and the quality engineering, but it also has to be about the vibe, the feeling, the connection of it all...Somehow I can connect with the music and the experience more with a Dual than I've been able to do with many other machines from the era...You catch where I'm coming from??? :-k

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Re: A Restored Dual 1019, or 1229 (Is That the Best?)

Post by DSJR » 18 Sep 2019 12:55

lbls1 wrote:
15 Sep 2019 17:11
I don't have a lot of faith in the new Rega tables despite the manufacturer being on the scene awhile. My assessment may be inaccurate, but its my impression. What I am leading to is that one should not discount the Dual crafts, especially the belt driven crafts from the vintage years of '76 to approx. '82, with some exceptions. This vintage period represents the highest form of the genre, and crafts that were designed and made after this period, on average, were less competitive in terms of durability, specs, and overall quality. There are exceptions, but the exceptions are generally way beyond the price range of typical consumer prices for these crafts.

If you are truly into Dual turntables, compare all of their crafts, and also look closely at their competitors in this genre.

I SOLD and DEALT WITH Rega from 1976 until 2004 and their UK sales manager is a personal friend and ex-colleague of mine. They're ok, honestly! As I said, all the real engineering is internal (main bearing tolerances, hand selected tonearm bearings and so on and the one-piece arm-pipe was VERY carefully designed for mass-saving and minimal audio-band resonances internally in its structure, something ALL Dual tonearms can suffer from if the wrong cartridge is chosen [microphonics]).

Sadly, audiophiles as a breed almost all seem to listen with their eyes and in the wider high end market today, thousands of dollars/euros/pounds get spent on wonderful looking but often internal very average performing gear. Something excellent inside but bland looking never does as well as appearance is so important in the buying decision with these people.

Rant over and apologies. This is the Dual room, so basically concerning a now retro brand with products under discussion thirty years or more old usually. The engineering of these decks set them apart compared to other automatic models and the basic simplicity of the auto mechs (they got even simpler as time went on) is an object lesson I admit.

I LOVE my Duals dearly (currently six of 'em), but am trying to be realistic as prices of top-level idler models in particular is rising almost out of control. Motor drone in the quiet background of music through speakers and headphones annoys me to hell... We tend to regard vintage products like this as brand new and I have to admit, now in my 60's I tend to look back to the early 70's when I started out in this industry with great fondness for many products then available, so I do understand.

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