New member with dual 1229

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New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 23 Jun 2019 21:31

Hi all,
Just purchased this on e-bay. Should I clean and lube it before even plugging it in? I don't think it has ever been used.

Recommendations appreciated,

Rick
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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by mrow2 » 23 Jun 2019 22:07

Lovely unit with some neat accessories, congratulations. This was a premium purchase back in the day, with an upgrade after-market plinth/cabinet in which to display it. Aside from the electronic units, this mechanical model is about the most complex and difficult (to service) unit Dual built. You can try running it, use it for short periods, check motor temp if you can after some runtime. Looks like some levers may be stuck, not sure. These are easy to free but don't force anything whatsoever. If you run it the lever may free itself.

Especially don't flip the single/multi play lever, leave it alone for now. A decent servicing is in order. There are tons of posts at this site covering various issues with this model, and they are generally all resolvable. Yours, being in such good condition, mainly suffers from dry grease in critical places but if it works ok you're fine for now. Look for a personal message from me, I'll try to give more info.

If it does not play records right away, don't worry, it's really just a matter of releasing a small number of levers from sticky grease, and replacing the grease. It's how to go about it which makes those steps so critical. Don't try to stack records and use it as a changer until the servicing is well in hand. Cheers, Don

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 24 Jun 2019 00:03

Hi Don,
Thanks, I was the 1st. to view this on e-bay, and with a $200.00 buy it now I fell off my chair! I had a 1219 in the Navy. Stationed in Imperial Beach, CA, we had a lot of beach parties and the poor 1219 suffered a lot. Needless to say I learned how to repair it by trial and error, even stripping the eccentric screw and resorting to welding after many hours of trial and error. This was all pre-web. Someone dumped a 1229 in the garbage a short time later, and I salvaged the parts to repair the 1219 correctly (in my opinion). I remember removing the tone arm assy. as a unit, and never did use the 1219 on multiplay. What is the ring that seems to be a must to replace when servicing these?
Best regards,
Rick

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 24 Jun 2019 00:05

Am I correct the ring is elastic and is used to apply pressure to detent balls?

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 24 Jun 2019 00:07

yea, the start lever is a little off center.

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by mrow2 » 24 Jun 2019 18:28

Yes the single multi ring is the little elastic (since more hardened now) ring with the detent balls. I've got some images at my listings but at any rate, leave the lever alone 'til this is serviced. Off center start lever can be adjusted of course.
What a buy this was! Have you run it yet? Possible outcomes include sticky idler-engage mechanism and related, causing slow or intermittent platter spin, just depends how dry it is. It may not be so dry, since it's been in the box. Also take caution that the motor switches off when the play cycle stops, the sticky switch arm mechanism relating to that can keep it running (very quietly). In extreme cases some motors have run days or weeks because the owner didn't know.

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 24 Jun 2019 19:34

Delivery date is the 27th., so no. I would venture to say the idler mechanism is indeed stuck because the photos show the start lever is to left of center and the seller stated the platter didn't rotate when he plugged it in to test it. He did say the motor turned on, but no further inspection was attempted. Of special interest was the wire clip to retain the platter was in a clear plastic bag and (possibly) taped to the the brushed trim directly under the headshell which could imply the turntable had never been used. I'll find out on Thursday.

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 28 Jun 2019 01:05

Delivery date now tomorrow.

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 29 Jun 2019 00:04

Scratch one 1229. Destroyed in shipping.

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Re: New member with dual 1229 damaged in transit.

Post by ricksbsa » 29 Jun 2019 02:23

Here's a list of damaged parts to fix the 1229
2ea. 214 017. Bent
1ea. 218 518. Broken
1ea. 225 294. Bent
1ea. 222 692. Bent
1ea. 218 238. Bent
1ea. 211 718. Missing (found the other one)
1ea. 216 845. sorta missing or mixed with 218 518
Two things loose in box were looks like an edge protector, grey plastic, 3/8X1/8" with a "U" channel. The other one may be 216 901 shield, but I don't know where it fastens (clips).
It came with an Empire 4000 D/III cartridge, which I'm not familiar with.
Cosmetically the turntable is beautiful, except some paint loss on 218 518 ring.
Repairing the turntable is within my skill. The plinth, maybe.
Calibrating the antiskate is what I'm not so sure of.
Pending reply from e-bay seller, I may choose to repair it (With a substantial refund from seller).
What a shame.

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by mrow2 » 29 Jun 2019 16:57

How about a quick verbal description of those parts. Tedious to sort out on an explosion view. Also generally speaking we communicate parts reference for particular models using the 3 digit IDs in the view, as well. I recall the 4000 D/III cart is very respected, considered a very desirable vintage cartridge. How about the dust cover? If that's intact, and with a credit, you've got a possible winner!

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by tep392 » 29 Jun 2019 19:27

Thats a shame. Sounds like they really screwed up packing it.

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 30 Jun 2019 00:26

Sorry, I'm used to using part numbers. Illustration #s as follows:

#11 is the special screw for locking down the turntable to plinth. All 3 are bent.

#60 is the Dearing Ring. I Found one on e-bay this morning which included the complete tone arm assy. Buy it now price was $45.00 and $5.00 shipping, which I purchased. ( If I decide not to repair the TT, I'm sure someone here could use it ).

#73 is the tone arm that I no longer require.

#233 is the protecting piece that partially encircles the lower part of the dearing ring. It is bent and because there are 2 adjustment components on it I'd rather purchase one.

#230 and 231 are the multi-switch retainer and balls and will purchase from Dualcan.

##267 is the anti skate lever and is bent. I'd rather purchase one for the same reason as #233.

I received a reply from the e-bay seller. He asked if I would be interested in a partial refund and asked what the repairs would cost. I paid $199.99 for the TT and $99.80 for shipping. What would a shop charge to repair it and how much of a refund should I request? Should I just ask for a full refund? Comments and opinions greatly appreciated.

The guy didn't lock the TT down onto the plinth and packing was minimal.

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by mrow2 » 30 Jun 2019 00:55

No time right now, but first item # 11 is designed that way. Somehow it works as re: the tilting required to lift the deck.
Cheers, Don

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Re: New member with dual 1229

Post by ricksbsa » 30 Jun 2019 02:19

If that is the case, then there would be three different part numbers? The center right screw is bent at an approx. 5deg., the left rear is bent at approx. 40deg., and the left front at approx 15deg. The design of the screw is undercut directly under the top threads to allow it to pivot in the nut swedged on the TT base. When the screw is turned in this configuration, it would bind on the cutouts on the plinth. When you have time, could you possibly supply a picture of the screw for reference?

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