How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

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How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by T68 » 16 Jun 2019 08:53

Hi! I'm teased by the cool looks and golden buttons on the Garrard Zero100. One is up on a local auction over here. The bidding finger is itching... Should I go for it or walk away without looking back and just keep enjoying my Dual 601 (which runs like a champ)?

...will the answers I get differ if I post same question in the Garrard thread?

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by Legrace » 16 Jun 2019 12:02

No clue. Why not buy it and share your opinion afterwards?

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by Solist » 16 Jun 2019 12:34

I remember reading that they went the cheap route in regard to tonearm bearings. But I have also read on other forums that people who own one like the way it sounds. How it would compare to the 601? No idea and the only way you will found it out is to buy one :wink:

One thing is sure, that mechanism will need a lot of work to get it back in shape.

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by lenjack » 16 Jun 2019 16:42

I've heard that the 100's had bearing friction problems that might have been remedied in later production runs, but perhaps became problems as they aged.

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by mrow2 » 16 Jun 2019 18:17

There were different production runs, with improvements along the way. I would think one of the later models would be rather cool to own. Along the way, you'd become an expert most likely. Suspect a Zero would be a hobby by itself. I think DSJR might be an expert on these!

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by DSJR » 17 Jun 2019 14:54

I currently am, as I've just put my Zero 100 back into storage and brought out the 601 again.

The Zero has an Ortofon VMS10E II fitted with brand new Ortofon stylus, the Dual currently the Ortofon M20E ('sounds' more like the M20E Super than the thicker toned VMS20E II).

To be honest, the 601 has by far the greatest potential as the tonearm is SO much better (forget the zero tracking error, this was a sales gimmick and admitted I remember, in the Garrard book).

The basic limitation with both decks is motor and drive noises getting to the stylus which can mess up background noise while playing. My particular Zero 100 (International version) is very quiet and with a well behaved motor, background noises being and evenly spread 'bass presence' in the background which is easy to ignore. The Dual main bearing is in a different world, being a close tolerance single-point type and the belt drive is potentially excellent, but my own '840 equipped' deck can suffer motor 'drone' in the surface noises if the mains voltage gets too high. I use an inline resistor on the mains supply (terribly crude but nicer looking than a light-bulb in series) and the deck is now silent and 'cleaner' than the Zero.

Music reproduction? Again, the Dual 601 tonearm helps no end in terms of separating details out, especially at the extreme left and right. Double tracking effects hinted at with the Zero 100 are clear as a bell on the 601 using a variety of cartridges on both decks. The better the playback system, the easier to tell the differences I feel.

One area the 601 could be lightly tweaked is in record support. Leave the stock hard ribbed mat in place, but consider adding something not thick and not ribbed! Also, some added support at the disc centre (I use a 3mm approx ring from a CD/DVD pack around the spindle as shown in one of my gallery pictures) and I feel it sonically helps a bit.

To conclude, the Zero 100 is a collectable talking point which plays records to a very fair standard. I ask little from it subjectively and am surprised how well behaved it actually is. A good 601 has the potential to be on a higher level entirely in terms of fidelity - in my opinion and the arm can take anything from a vintage Shure V15T2 or III, throuigh an ADC XLM II onwards to the better MM's today (Ortofon 2M Bronze or Black, AT 500/700 types and on to good MC types as well, as long as they're not hideously fussy on precise VTA as the tonearm height is fixed).

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by T68 » 17 Jun 2019 19:59

Thanks for input, guys! Especially DSJR.
As I suspected the Dual is the better deck of the two. But man, those golden buttons...
Bidding on the Zero100 ends tomorrow.
Uh-oh, and now a Dual 1019 popped up in our little town. Decisions, decisions...

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by T68 » 18 Jun 2019 20:44

Oops, I got it! Not my fault no one else was stupid enough to bid against this sucker.
30 bucks bought me some golden buttons and what seems to be a Shure M75 cartridge. All those things attached to something that looks like a turntable :-).

Some pics I nicked from the auctioneer:
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...well, guess Im heading on over to the Garrard forum on VE with further postings about this bad boy.

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by mrow2 » 18 Jun 2019 21:27

Congrats! That really is a pretty unit! Definitely nice to have (after a servicing) in a small collection which allows several to be connected at the same time.

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by DSJR » 19 Jun 2019 08:43

Nice plinth!

Not sure if the mat isn't inverted?

Get rid of that godawful Dust Bug. It's not necessary and messes with noise. My deck has the adhesive ring still there from a 'Groov-Kleen' but I'm scared to try to remove it as paint may come off.

It's a gorgeous looking deck I admit and a feast for my eyes still. I'll close by quoting from a UK 'Hi Fi Sound' review -

'It does all this and plays records too. What more could you want?'

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by T68 » 19 Jun 2019 20:19

Thanks DSJR!
Got the deck home today (local auctioneer so no risky shipping).
It's a keeper! Have posted 1st impressions in the Garrard-forum:
https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... p?t=112599

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by paulrenea » 22 Jun 2019 22:40

T68 wrote:
16 Jun 2019 08:53
Hi! I'm teased by the cool looks and golden buttons on the Garrard Zero100. One is up on a local auction over here. The bidding finger is itching... Should I go for it or walk away without looking back and just keep enjoying my Dual 601 (which runs like a champ)?

...will the answers I get differ if I post same question in the Garrard thread?
I would be looking a Technics turntables instead. The 1980's were the good years for Technics turntables. I suggest direct drive and belt drive. Avoid rim drive turntables is my suggestion.

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by 62vauxhall » 23 Jun 2019 05:18

I thought I had six turntables but just counted and there are seven - two of them must have bred. But save for a DD Pioneer PD-630, the rest are all idlers and includes a Zero 100. Which I think is a joy to look at.

I relinquished whatever direct drive's and belt drive's accumulated over the past couple of years because I've come to prefer idlers. A Dual 701 went in favor of a first gen 1009.

Another idler is coming my way in the near future, a Thorens TD124 II and then that's it for me. No more turntables.

EDIT: Keep the Dust Bug. They do work but you don't have to use it just don't toss it. If it really offends you, PM me and I'll provide my Ship To address. I've only got three and like I say, I've got seven turntables.

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by T68 » 24 Jun 2019 07:52

Yeah, I'll hang on to the dustbug and at least give it a try.

Hmm, today I think I might take the zero 100 out of the box just to enjoy its looks :-)

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Re: How does a Garrard Zero 100s compare to my Dual601

Post by 62vauxhall » 26 Jun 2019 16:53

I was listening to mine just last night. Stacked some Stones LP's on the multi spindle and let 'er rip.

Listened to a stack of 45's afterwards.

I have no qualms about stacking records. Some say it's damaging but I know better. Fifty plus years of buying and playing records has shown me that.

One thing about Zero 100 changers, the 45 stacker spindles are cheaper than those for Duals and much cheaper than Elac's - yikes!!

My most used turntables these days are the Zero 100 (the newest), an original Dual 1009 and an Elac 10.

The "pusher" multi-play Garrard spindles age better than those for Dual's. Elac's, like Garrard's, don't seem to be affected by getting old.

You may find than once yours is up and running smoothly, you'll be using more often than than you think. They're just too nice to keep your hands off.

EDIT: Oh yeah, yours is an "S". Disregard the changer stuff.

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