New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

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New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Jonathan Vino » 12 Nov 2017 20:29

Hi everyone. Long time lurker.. First post.
I am a long time vinyl collector and have owned quite a few (cheaper) turntables over the last 20 years. I have finally pulled the trigger about purchasing something on a higher performance level. After about a year of changing my mind and research I currently have a brand new Planar 3 in the mail with an Ortofon 2M Blue cartridge. I will have to mount and align this cartridge and this will be my first foray into this world.. I have spent hours watching videos and digging through this forum regarding this subject. The more I read, the more the opinions seem to vary. So I thought I'd just throw it out there.

Here are the questions I have

1. Regarding the 3 hole Rega mounting. Use the 3 holes with the 2M? Or go with two?

2. If I go with two hole mounting what is the preferred alignment protractor? Baerwald or Stevenson? How do they differ? Or should I purchase a Ortofon protractor?

3. With using a non Rega cartridge should I invest in a spacer or shim? How much of a difference in height is the 2M? I've read conflicting opinions here.

4. When setting up the tonearm will I need a force gauge? What is the opinion of the analog ones like the Shure? The digital ones are obviously a little more accurate but also far more expensive.. (I'd rather put that cash toward a new subplatter/belt/TTPSU)

Please everyone here, let me know your thoughts, which I expect will be varied. One thing I have learned already is that their are many many differing opinions on all of these matters.

I'm very excited to finally be upgrading my turntable. It's a big step for me (and a lot of cash) I have always been a huge music nerd, when everyone was getting rid of their vinyl in the 90's I was always happy to raid their collections. People used to think it was odd that I collected records. Now it has all come full circle.

I'm also happy to be joining in on what I know is a great community of like minded enthusiasts and I look forward to more conversation with everyone here.
-Jonathan

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Fire99 » 12 Nov 2017 20:58

First off, welcome and congratulations on a great choice in turntables. The fun is just beginning- with Christmas around the corner and the weather getting colder you couldn’t have picked a better time to buy and stay indoors with your favourite beverage and listen to albums :D
I will let someone with more experience chime in with their opinions since I have never done it myself- another newbie here who had mine factory installed.
Congrats and enjoy! Looking forward to some photos!

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Legrace » 12 Nov 2017 21:03

1) 2M has only 2 point mounting. No decision involved.
2) Rega Stevenson. Available from downloads section.
3) Shims are a good idea and simple to install. 4 mm is typically optimal for Ortofon cartridges.
4) Digital stylus force gauge available from Amazon for under $20. Cheap insurance policy.

Enjoy your new Rega. =D>

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Jonathan Vino » 12 Nov 2017 21:35

Legrace wrote:1) 2M has only 2 point mounting. No decision involved.
2) Rega Stevenson. Available from downloads section.
3) Shims are a good idea and simple to install. 4 mm is typically optimal for Ortofon cartridges.
4) Digital stylus force gauge available from Amazon for under $20. Cheap insurance policy.

Enjoy your new Rega. =D>
Thanks Legrace. I could have sworn that the Ortofon had 3 hole mounting.. Hence it's popularity with Rega.. Well that part is solved.

I also just looked up gauges on Amazon. Will probably order one today.
( I never considered looking there. I usually use needledoctor or turntablelab)

Cheers

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Jonathan Vino » 17 Nov 2017 09:47

Fire99 wrote: Congrats and enjoy! Looking forward to some photos!
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Set up was a success. I love how it looks.. What a beautiful piece of equipment!
Couldn't be happier! Next mission for tomorrow will be raising the Cue. It barely clears my records.

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Alec124c41 » 19 Nov 2017 00:50

You might do better to raise the arm a bit, so that it is level when playing a record. Most cartridges are taller than the Rega cartridges.

Cheers,
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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Jonathan Vino » 19 Nov 2017 07:47

Alec124c41 wrote:You might do better to raise the arm a bit, so that it is level when playing a record. Most cartridges are taller than the Rega cartridges.

Cheers,
Alec
I have come to the conclusion that yes, I need spacers/shims. It seems that the consensus is 4mm for an Ortofon 2M series cartridge. I have looked around and there are many options out there. Rega makes the 2mm plates and also they have the spacer that has multiple heights in the one piece. Anyone here have better success with one over the other? I'm also dreading having to take the tonearm off in order to put the shims in. But will certainly do what is necessary.

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Alec124c41 » 19 Nov 2017 14:39

Fear not. There are 3 screws that need to be unscrewed, and replaced.
Best to remove the stylus before you do this.

Cheers,
Alec

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by jlwallen » 19 Nov 2017 14:47

When I purchased my Planar 3 (last February), it came with its own protractor. I tried the Stevenson, the Baerwald, and the included protractor. I was surprised to find out the included Rega protractor was not only the easiest to use, but produced the best sound.

I also have an Ortofon 2M Black with a single 2 MM shim.

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Jonathan Vino » 19 Nov 2017 19:01

Alec124c41 wrote:Fear not. There are 3 screws that need to be unscrewed, and replaced.
Best to remove the stylus before you do this.

Cheers,
Alec
Thanks Alec. Just watched a YouTube video of some guy doing it. Does not look too complicated.
jlwallen wrote:When I purchased my Planar 3 (last February), it came with its own protractor. I tried the Stevenson, the Baerwald, and the included protractor. I was surprised to find out the included Rega protractor was not only the easiest to use, but produced the best sound.

I also have an Ortofon 2M Black with a single 2 MM shim.
Yeah, I also used the Rega protractor. Was a rather quick and painless setup.

I've seen some say to use one single 2mm shim with the 2M cartridge and others 4mm. Which makes me wonder which way to go. I guess mathematically it works out to 4mm..

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by jlwallen » 19 Nov 2017 20:47

I can say the 2 MM spacer sounds great with the black. If the extra 2 MM spacer would be an improvement...I couldn't honestly say how (that's how good it sounds). I didn't think the black would be that much of an improvement over the bronze. It was. Leaps and bounds. It has more warmth, more highs, and the same mid and bass as the bronze.

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by Francky01 » 19 Nov 2017 22:02

Welcome and have fun.

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by reynolds617 » 10 Dec 2017 04:00

Welcome Jonathan:

I've had my P3 for about 3 months now and am very happy with it. Based on my research, it's one of the best value for money choices you can make under $2k.

Where in upstate New York are you (that's a broad term)? I spent 4 years in the Central Leatherstocking region as they call it.

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by robinliebrechts » 10 Dec 2017 15:20

Alec124c41 wrote:Fear not. There are 3 screws that need to be unscrewed, and replaced.
Best to remove the stylus before you do this.

Cheers,
Alec
those 3 screws have to be tightened with the correct torque!!

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Re: New Planar 3 & Ortofon 2M/New Here-Hi.

Post by andybeau » 10 Dec 2017 18:39

robinliebrechts wrote:
Alec124c41 wrote:Fear not. There are 3 screws that need to be unscrewed, and replaced.
Best to remove the stylus before you do this.

Cheers,
Alec
those 3 screws have to be tightened with the correct torque!!
About one white knuckle :wink:

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