Rummage sale find

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Rummage sale find

Post by tep392 » 25 Apr 2019 18:37

For the last three years I've helped out at the church rummage sale, but this is the first time I've seen a turntable. It's in decent condition and I'm tempted, but I already have 2 spare turntables I don't use. Maybe just to fix up and resell. Is this one any good? Looks like it might have a ceramic cart. Not a 1/2 inch mount.
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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by tep392 » 25 Apr 2019 19:31

I've been trying to identify the model. The deck looks like a 72B or 75B, but the tonearm doesn't match. Closest I can find is the 30. I'll have to stop by and take a few more pics. Maybe if I can pick it up for $10, it might be worth playing around with. It's missing the stacking spindle, which is a bummer. That's something I could see using it for.

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by Landolaman1 » 25 Apr 2019 20:16

tep392 wrote:
25 Apr 2019 19:31
I've been trying to identify the model. The deck looks like a 72B or 75B, but the tonearm doesn't match. Closest I can find is the 30. I'll have to stop by and take a few more pics. Maybe if I can pick it up for $10, it might be worth playing around with. It's missing the stacking spindle, which is a bummer. That's something I could see using it for.
Hi, can just make out that it's a (Synchro Lab) SL 7? from the manual on top of the TT. I'm sure you'll get a definitive I.D. as there are lots of Garrard enthusiasts on this site. Can't comment on the TT itself. I own a SL95B and am more than happy with it but as i say don't know about the SL7?
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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by vinyl master » 26 Apr 2019 00:57

It sure looks highly similar to my 74M here... :-k

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I wrote all about it here...

viewtopic.php?t=70965

In any case, it looks like a nice machine and if you can get it cheap, you should definitely mention it in other thread here...

viewtopic.php?t=88346

I bought mine mainly for the Shure cartridge on it, but who knows...It might be worth resurrecting down the line...Any TT that uses a decent Shure cart can't be all bad...In any case, yours looks like it would be fun to play around with... :-k

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by A70BBen » 26 Apr 2019 02:55

I think it looks like a Garrard SLx3. It was the predecessor of the 74M and like it, was based on the SL72B but with a simpler, noninterchangeable cartridge mounting and s dedicated Shure M93E cartridge. Nice unit once fettled but at this age it will almost surely need fettling.

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by tep392 » 26 Apr 2019 15:02

I went back and bought it! It is indeed an slx3. I'm glad to hear it has a magnetic cartridge. I was fooled by the narrow head and integrated cart, thinking is was ceramic. There is a note inside from the guy who donated it. It's been degreased and re-lubed. The idler is in good shape and it spins at 33.3 under load. The only issue is the auto return trip isn't functioning and it needs a stylus. Return doesn't trip until stylus reaches label. The tonearm bearings seem ok. It's floats smoothly and will return to rest position with antiskate=1. I'll get the auto-return sorted out and put together a little system in my teenage daughters room. It should work nicely for her.
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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by tep392 » 26 Apr 2019 17:42

Ok, so I've been researching replacement styli and I have a few questions. Is there any documentation that confirms the original cart was an M93E? I'm asking because the stylus currently on the player is an original "Shure hi-track" stylus with a black body. My research is telling me that the N93E should have a green body and the N91E has a black body. The styli are interchangable, but they appear to have different tracking force ranges, so I would assume different compliance values. I just want to make sure that he stylus I get matches the tonearm mass.

As for manufacturer options, Turntables Needles sells Japan made replacements (Jico?) for both at about $30. The Voice of Music sells Phansthiehl replacements for both at about $15. Any one have experience with either of these replacements?

Thanks for your help

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by DSJR » 27 Apr 2019 19:11

By todays standards, the original 93E stylus is dire. Horrible diamond and dull balance which modern neutral sources show up big time in my first hand experience... The yellowish stylus was a 91-ED I believe and this was great back then but no longer available (same sh**ty diamond finish applies here too - Shure saved the acceptable stones for the V15's IMO). I have a similar cartridge here with what looks like a Jico stylus on (black paint spot on cantilever just behind the diamond). Superbly finished diamond stylus but tracking is marginal at 1.5g and I didn't wish to go higher, although 2.5g is the damage-inducing point for such a tip I gather. Compliance is lower on this one, so maybe 1.75g is where it should be rather than 1.25g as original.

Me? I'd lookout for an AT VM520 or the earlier AT120E if you can find a decent one. My AP76 loves it!

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by tep392 » 27 Apr 2019 20:09

The cartridge is integrated with the tonearm which doesn't accommodate a 1/2" cartridge, so I'm stuck with using something compatible with the M93E. I'm open to any recommendations that will fit this cart.
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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by DSJR » 28 Apr 2019 10:38

I'm so sorry, I was looking at the 74M above (that'll teach me...).

I'd recommend sticking with Jico styli, as many other pattern ones do seem to vary a bit (from other's experiences documented here). I'd suggest a 1.25g tracking force is achievable as I doubt the lateral bearings are much different to other models using the chassis and the vertical bearings on this arm type (is it so much different to the 3500 tonearm up-top?).

I hope I've not muddied the water here, as if the cartridge body itself is a 91/93 type, then any 75 model (ED?) stylus should happily work too? The 91-ED and 75-ED can still sound very good, the 91 having a deeper mounting moulding at the front.

Re the tripping. This chassis usually has a fine preformed 'rod' which slides in delrin mounts and this seems to be working fine for you - don't lubricate it although some enterprising souls have lightly polished the area where it slides through the back mounting to further reduce friction (later decks tweaked this further). Your issues are on the cam itself I think, as there are two pawls which should be totally free to slide/rotate slightly against each other. Garrard used to lube these I recall and all manner of horrors can occur now after the oil has dried up. Not sure you can deal with this with the cam in situ (depends how dextrous you are) and ideally, the cam should come off for easy access, as the mounting pivot hole in the cam needs to be cleaned as well as each individual pawl before reassembly. Once clean and dry, these parts should all but rattle when re-fitted to the cam and they stay that way in my experience.

I'm suggesting the above hoping the mechanism underneath is basically the same as the higher models in the range.

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by tep392 » 28 Apr 2019 14:46

Thanks for the suggestion. I was looking at the official Jico site and it looks like I can get an N91ED or N75ED.

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by DSJR » 28 Apr 2019 20:50

Can you remove the existing stylus, just to make sure (sorry!) the plastic stylus housing is the same. the previous 91E was black I believe and the 91-ED (naked diamond) was yellowish. I understand the 75-ED is mechanically the same as the 91-ED, but the deeper mounting 'skirt' on the 91 will be better if it fits.

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Re: Rummage sale find

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by DSJR » 29 Apr 2019 08:38

No probs with a 91-ED then, as long as the trip parts are free and not sticking. My nearest equivalent AP76 is fine at 1.25g.

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Re: Rummage sale find

Post by tep392 » 17 May 2019 15:25

Update: Got it put back together with new M91ED stylus and I'm impressed. Sounds very good and has excellent tracking. I put my test record on and it handled the highest modulation without mistracking! Only nitpick is the drive noise isn't as good as my Dual 1219. Still quite acceptable. Also, I'm going to add a thick platter mat to get better SRA since I'm only playing single records on this.

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