Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

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Re: Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

Post by T68 » 11 Sep 2019 17:00

True that. That cyclic whum-whum-whum noise was a bit too much for my ears.
But now the lower and more even noise is much less disturbing.
I'll play it like this for a while and then decide whether to refurbish the idler wheel or not.

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Re: Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

Post by T68 » 16 Sep 2019 19:21

Well, couldn't help myself when I found modelling clay for four bucks the other day. So I turned five years old again and played a little with the Zero to see if dampening the platter would work. Some pics:
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The result?
The ring when tapping the bottom platter is almost gone.
Maybe placebo but I think the noise between tracks is lower. Unfortunately I messed up with my before/after recording on the phone so I cannot compare.

Anyhoo, listening to Kind of Blue as I write this, and it sounds really good! Speed seems stable and no increase in bearing noise.

So I think the clay will stay. If not just only for seeing the cheerful colors next time I'm gonna work on it :mrgreen:

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Re: Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

Post by T68 » 18 Sep 2019 12:21

Well, after listening a bit more I've decided that there's still to much cyclic idler rumble going on. It's just not circular and it wobbles in the horizontal plane too. My own attempts to sand the idler is failing. To hard to get it spinning straight on my drill.
So I've decided to bite the bullet and send it off for restoration.
Hopefully this will unleash the full force of this fantastic British engineering marvel in a week or two.

So for now, during this temporary Brexit, I have to turn to Germany and put the cleaner,
smother and probably better sounding (?) - BUT LESS COOL &FUN - Dual 601 back into operation.

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Re: Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

Post by T68 » 18 Sep 2019 15:11

Speaking of Garrard idlers: are there wheels from other models that will fit on the Zero100? For example idlers for the sp25? Found a croatian company which makes new, very nicely looking idlers for that model. Would be sweet if the would fit the zero if I need new ones down the line.

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Re: Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

Post by aardvarkash10 » 19 Sep 2019 09:51

Here's the cross-reference listing from Gary at Voice of Music.

I'm not sure about your Croatian supplier, but Gary's work is excellent and honest. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend getting your idler rebuilt by him.

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Re: Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

Post by T68 » 19 Sep 2019 11:37

Yes, heard of Gary's great work. But unfortunately buying from the US brings some hefty shipping and customs and import fees here in Sweden. I Like finding suppliers within the EU.

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Re: Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

Post by DSJR » 19 Sep 2019 18:53

Zero 2000 and models up to the lab 80 as well as the 301/401 apart, I believe all Garrards starting with the autoslim design and SL75/95 chassis types, all used basically the same idler until the Unimech designs came along. It was usually a large sintered inner piece, but I have seen a few including my first AP76 in 1972, with a cast inner hub with sintered sleeve that looked rather like the BSR type, albeit a different size to the BSR.

Have a good look on eBay for a suitable idler. The Lab 80 and earlier type as well as the 301/401 look so different, you'll not confuse them...

Here's one of the 'BSR-esque' type - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GARRARD-IDLE ... SwTzVcueox

Check part number first though, just in case.

Here's the best known type but the bracket will need moving on -https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Idler-wheel- ... SwhlZYsedD

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Re: Just won a Zero 100s - let the fun (?) begin!

Post by T68 » 21 Sep 2019 12:06

Well with the Zero out of commission waiting for a restored idler, this ol' girl does good service as a backup.

She reminds me what silence between tracks (not) sounds like :-).
Hope a revived idler on the Zero comes close to this.
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