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Pressing "start" after stylus is down on lead-in groove?

Postby tenthstreet » 31 Jul 2017 05:21

Hi all,

Quick question - I'm certainly not going to get into the habit of doing this, but wasn't sure if this accident is a total no-go: the other night, I went to start the second side of an album (Mingus' Oh Yeah), and after I moved the cueing lever down on the lead-in groove, I suddenly realized that I never pressed the start button on the turntable.

I'm sure just moving the cueing lever back up would've been the better choice, but I panicked and quickly pressed the start button to get my direct drive platter moving - thinking I'd try to get it going before the needle finished dropping down. I don't believe I was successful in winning that race, but I must've had the stylus before the actual groove, because I didn't miss a note and everything sounded just fine once the music started playing.

Any chance I did anything that would cause someone to think twice about using this stylus again/replacing it? I can't imagine, but I'm fairly new at all of this manual turntable business (had a simple AT-LP60 before moving on up) and would strongly prefer to not ruin any of my records.

Thanks!
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Re: Pressing "start" after stylus is down on lead-in groove?

Postby Spinner45 » 31 Jul 2017 06:03

Don't sweat it.
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Postby billshurv » 31 Jul 2017 09:05

It can't cause any damage. Don't worry.
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Postby 62vauxhall » 31 Jul 2017 12:43

I used to make a lot of mix tapes. In order to have as little "dead air" as possible between songs I would back cue the stylus until it was just in front of the start of the track, hold the platter stationary with a finger (direct drive turntable), take the deck out of pause and let the platter go. I did this hundreds if not thousands of times with no ill effects.
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Postby BMRR » 31 Jul 2017 13:09

Totally fine. Nothing to worry about at all. I do this all the time with my Technics direct drive turntables when I'm recording records onto my computer.
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Postby fresherr » 31 Jul 2017 23:20

That's one way DJs have been doing it for years. :-)
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Re: Pressing "start" after stylus is down on lead-in groove?

Postby Shadowman82 » 31 Jul 2017 23:45

That's how I play all of my records . It's much easier to place the stylus that way then trying to put it on a record that's already spinning .
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Postby tenthstreet » 01 Aug 2017 02:54

Awesome - thanks so much, everyone. Vinyl listening has resumed :D

When do you finally stop being paranoid about ruining records and just enjoy playing the vinyl as much as you enjoy collecting it? Does that ever happen? :lol:
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Postby wolfie62 » 01 Aug 2017 05:47

Ahhhh! The joys of a fully automatic TT!!! =D>

But, back in my manual days.....Yup, did the same thing MANY times by accident.

You're in very good company, I'm sure!
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Re: Pressing "start" after stylus is down on lead-in groove?

Postby DasherF » 01 Aug 2017 14:34

Hi, tenth!
Am I guessing correctly, sometimes you experiencethe ol' stylus-slip-skip-miss-a-note-or-two? Unh, gud that's the worst, and the records seem to be getting worse, even on my older lp's, the ones I had years ago. I like the "accident" you fell into. I don't think it'll hurt anything. You merely turned it on with the stylus ready to go.

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Re: Pressing "start" after stylus is down on lead-in groove?

Postby Shadowman82 » 03 Aug 2017 23:52

That's why Records have a lead in groove , so that you are less likely to damage the music part .
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Postby DasherF » 04 Aug 2017 15:20

shadowman, you're exactly right. Less likely. They also build up the edge to prevent the grooves from touching when stacked and bumping up and down like a round teeter-totter, causing skips. In essence, however, it produces a chute, often skidding thru a few beginning grooves. As I said, that's the worst. I do a manual adjustment of the anti-skate, turning above the VTF, then turning it back down when the stylus "seats"(in a silent lead-in groove). The 'table's level, the anti-skate is set to proper adjustment, but it keeps doing it.
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Re: Pressing "start" after stylus is down on lead-in groove?

Postby Shadowman82 » 04 Aug 2017 22:49

Yes I get that skipping a few grooves with mine too sometimes but as it is in the lead in groove I'm not too worried about it . I also haven't noticed any damage to the stylus from that .
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Postby DasherF » 05 Aug 2017 17:02

No, I'm afraid it's the record that suffers...
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Postby Shadowman82 » 05 Aug 2017 23:54

Over time there maybe some damage to the lead in groove but as long as the music is ok I'm good . I find that if you try and drop the stylus on a record that's already spinning it's much easier to do damage because it's more difficult to aim it .
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