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Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby goatbreath » 17 Jul 2017 02:16

If you look at features here on the A.T oage it is saying..3x7
It seems to say so on the US site too..
HMMM!!! have they changed it i wonder..
Jico don't seem to do 4x7 Styli..
Maybe Audio Technica can't get 4x7 tips any more..
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby KentT » 17 Jul 2017 03:48

.3 x .7 mil elliptical tips are what the cartridge manufacturers can easily get. A fine tip radius I like very well (I'm also a .4 x .7 mil fanatic)
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby lini » 17 Jul 2017 15:13

gb: Interesting. The spec has also been changed on their Japanese web-site, so I'd deem the smaller minor radius to not just be a bug.

Besides availability problems one could also imagine other reasons, though. I.e., given that the ATN95E was the last remaining needle with an 0.4 x 0.7 mil tip in AT's line-up, one could imagine that it's simply cheaper for them to purchase a larger amount of 0.3 x 0.7 tips (or respectively tip/cantilever combinations) instead, as they still need these for a few other needle types like the ATN3472SE, the VMN520EB and the ATN95EX. And who knows, maybe they also plan to discontinue the latter without disappointing AT95EX owners, so that they might have decided to upgrade the regular ATN95E for that reason.

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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby chiz » 17 Jul 2017 19:23

Very interesting.
The Japanese site shows a release date of November 2015 for this model so maybe they changed it a while back and the new spec stock is now filtering through to other markets.
I wonder if / how we can visually identify which stock is old spec and which is new?
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby goatbreath » 19 Jul 2017 04:03

I am seeing new models that are much more pricier that the AT95e and the AT91..
One model being a conical at about 4 times the price..
These were real bargain cartridges when you look at the prices of other
companies cartridges..I think although good sellers,,if AT can charge way more for new equivalents..They may just do that..The AT 95e and AT91 may have their days numbered
after 35 years..We never thought certain Shures would disappear either..
I think also 3x7 tips are easier to get than 4x7..Smaller contact point,,same downforce,,
I'm not so sure that is a good thing..Increased wear as far as I know..
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby Spinner45 » 19 Jul 2017 07:06

goatbreath wrote:I am seeing new models that are much more pricier that the AT95e and the AT91..
One model being a conical at about 4 times the price..
These were real bargain cartridges when you look at the prices of other
companies cartridges..I think although good sellers,,if AT can charge way more for new equivalents..They may just do that..The AT 95e and AT91 may have their days numbered
after 35 years..We never thought certain Shures would disappear either..
I think also 3x7 tips are easier to get than 4x7..Smaller contact point,,same downforce,,
I'm not so sure that is a good thing..Increased wear as far as I know..


I purchased a couple of at95e's a few months back from Amazon.
Both are tipped 4x7.

As far as the 4x7 vs 3x7 arguments, I doubt anyone can tell the difference, nor should they worry about it.
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby chiz » 19 Jul 2017 19:48

In theory 3x7 will track higher frequencies at smaller radii than 4x7 but will be less forgiving of alignment errors and yes, will have a smaller contact area so there will be increased wear for the same VTF.

In practice I’m not sure how noticeable these differences will be. Has anyone here compared the old spec 95E with the 95EX?
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby goatbreath » 19 Jul 2017 19:57

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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby chiz » 19 Jul 2017 20:24

goatbreath wrote:https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=87287

Thanks for the link :D
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby Schtick » 20 Jul 2017 09:57

lini wrote:And who knows, maybe they also plan to discontinue the latter without disappointing AT95EX owners, so that they might have decided to upgrade the regular ATN95E for that reason.

That´s OK as long as the still supply the ATN95EX with the red rather than the green plastic.
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby BMRR » 20 Jul 2017 18:35

I'm not sure how anyone could see the difference unless they had a very powerful microscope (professional, not el cheapo USB) AND the knowledge/training/measurement equipment to spot the difference... BUT... when I've compared the sound of AT's .3x.7mil carts with the sound of the AT95E, I've found that the .3x.7s were more revealing of surface noise and generally came across as "bright," whereas the AT95E was less revealing of surface noise and was more neutral (or ever-so-slightly warm).
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Re: Has the AT 95e became a 3x7 Elliptical instead of a 4x7

Postby lreneat » 21 Jul 2017 05:11

One way to control wear on the 3 X 7 needle is to drop the tracking weight to around 75-80% of what the 4 X 7 needle tracks at. Wear problem neutralized. If you have a half way decent turntable, dropping tracking weight should be a cinch. Reminds me of Yogi Bear: It will be a cinch Bobo.
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