New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton 750

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New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton 750

Post by BMRR » 05 Jul 2017 17:00

Pioneer and Stanton have each released new DJ phono cartridges, although neither of them are manufactured in-house by Pioneer or Stanton.

Pioneer's offering is the PC-X10, designed and manufactured by Nagoaka.

Specs:

•Format: Moving magnet type (MM type)
•Output voltage: 9.5 mV / 1 kHz
•Frequency characteristic: 20 ~ 20 kHz
•Channel separation: 20 dB / 1 kHz
•Channel balance: 1.5 dB or less / 1 kHz
•Tracking Force Range: 3.5 ~ 5 g
•Cantilever: Aluminium alloy
•Stylus tip: 0.6 mil cone, diamond tip
•Product weight: 6.5 g (including 2 screws, 2 washers, and 2 nuts)
•2 year warranty

MSRP: $149


Stanton's offering is the Stanton 750. Stanton hasn't said who is making it for them, but the specs suggest that it does not use one of Stanton's historic MM or MI designs:

•Stylus Type: Spherical 0.7 mil
•Special High Polish Diamond Tip
•Frequency Response: 20 to 20 kHz
•Nominal Output @ 1kHz: 5.5mV
•Channel Separation @ 1 kHz: >27dB
•Channel Balance @ 1 kHz: within 1.2dB
•Tracking Force: 2.5 to 4.0 grams
•DC Resistance: 830 ohms
•Inductance: 860 mH
•Cartridge Weight: 5.8 g
•Recommended Load: pF 47k ohms/275pF
•1 year warranty

MSRP: $131.14
Typical Retail Price: $79


Both cartridges seem to be directly aimed at the venerable Shure M44-7 (MSRP $125, typical retail $79). I expect the price of the Pioneer cart will eventually come down. Right now you can only buy it directly from Pioneer; third-party retailers will almost certainly sell it for less.
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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by BMRR » 05 Jul 2017 17:15

Here is an image of the Stanton 750 stylus. The V-shaped dual magnets give us a clue about who might be manufacturing these cartridges/styli for Stanton. :)
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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by chiz » 05 Jul 2017 19:22

I knew about the Nagaoka/Pioneer but many thanks for the info about the Stanton.
I think it would look nicer with a certain Japanese company's logo on though if that's who is making them ;)

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by BMRR » 05 Jul 2017 19:31

I agree :wink: and I guess this is as good a time as any for me to mention that Stanton's present-day logo is so generic and uninspired. The universal symbol for "on" — really? #-o

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by BMRR » 05 Jul 2017 19:38

I also wonder if the inductance spec for the Stanton 750 — 860mH — is a typo and that they actually meant 460mH, which is the inductance spec for AT's current VM line. The Stanton 750's DC resistance spec of 830 ohms is pretty close to the AT VM spec of 800 ohms.

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by chiz » 05 Jul 2017 19:53

BMRR wrote:I agree :wink: and I guess this is as good a time as any for me to mention that Stanton's present-day logo is so generic and uninspired. The universal symbol for "on" — really? #-o
Indeed! :roll:
The old logo was so classy too.
https://img.discogs.com/Icm0uaWLHRZNnD7 ... 7.jpeg.jpg

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by BMRR » 05 Jul 2017 20:59

THAT was a logo to be proud of!

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by patient_ot » 06 Jul 2017 00:23

The Pioneer, even though they are saying Nagaoka, looks a lot like an Excel ES-70 derived cart with a heavier duty conical stylus on it. IIRC Tonar offers a similar cart under their house brand - Excel looking body with high output and DJ stylus.

The Stanton screams AT after looking at that stylus photo. Coincidentally AT now has a high output DJ model under their own brand also.

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by BMRR » 06 Jul 2017 02:11

patient_ot wrote:IIRC Tonar offers a similar cart under their house brand - Excel looking body with high output and DJ stylus.
http://tonar.eu/index.php?item=tonar-di ... 47&lang=en

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by chiz » 06 Jul 2017 08:29

The Pioneer and Tonar look to be related to these Nagaoka models:

DJ-03D

https://shop.r10s.jp/dj/cabinet/nagaoka/dj03hd1.jpg

MM 321 BE

http://www.testberichte.de/imgs/p_imgs_ ... 367340.jpg

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by chiz » 06 Jul 2017 08:34

patient_ot wrote:Coincidentally AT now has a high output DJ model under their own brand also.
Very interesting. Any more info on this would be appreciated - model number, links?

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by BMRR » 06 Jul 2017 10:13

chiz wrote:The Pioneer and Tonar look to be related to these Nagaoka models:

DJ-03D

MM 321 BE
Definitely! I'm also seeing a slight familial resemblance to the Technics EPC-270C. IIRC, I once came across a thread in which someone described putting the Technics stylus on their Tonar Diabolic body.

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by patient_ot » 06 Jul 2017 19:05

chiz wrote:
patient_ot wrote:Coincidentally AT now has a high output DJ model under their own brand also.
Very interesting. Any more info on this would be appreciated - model number, links?
AT-DS3

https://www.lpgear.com/product/ATCDS3.html

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by BMRR » 06 Jul 2017 19:23

Good luck to anyone who wishes to buy an AT-DS3: LPGear no longer sells them (the page remains on their site for reasons unknown); the only internet merchant I could find who has them in stock is PickupNaald (Netherlands); and it's not clear to me whether AT still makes them or not — they're nowhere to be found on AT's US, UK, or EU web sites.

EDIT: I just found the AT-DS3 on Audio-Technica's Japan web site (hooray for Google Translate!) but it says the cart has been discontinued.

There was also an AT-DS7 DJ cart but that one has been discontinued as well.

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Re: New cartridges from Pioneer & Stanton: PC-X10 & Stanton

Post by chiz » 06 Jul 2017 19:32

Thanks for the reply.
This is actually a 20+ year old model but maybe there are some NOS around.

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