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Postby T.O.S. » 13 Jun 2017 21:34

Finally managed to upgrade the OMP10 cart of my linear tracker (thanks again lensmanMK2) with a OM20 stylus .Because the ridiculous spiral of prices in these last years the 30 or 40 were away from my budget .I managed to find in the end a moderately priced OM20 cart unused on ebay from Denmark . Now the stylus replaced the original one and is doing its burn in hours :D :D
For my system and taste it seems that the Ortofon suite best until now on my SL-QL5

Edit: with my phono stages (Leema and CA) OMP gives the best balanced sound until now
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Re: OM 20

Postby VinylDan1 » 14 Jun 2017 03:21

How does it compare to the STY 10? I'm looking to go from the 10 to a 20. Mostly looking for less distortion.
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Re: OM 20

Postby T.O.S. » 14 Jun 2017 06:55

The stylus is burning in .For now , nothing spectacular. But I'll try some comparative critical listening later these days , maibe in week end. The OMP 10 didn't produced any audible distortion to my ears. On what turntable do you use the Ortophon 10 ? Mine is a P mounttangential tonearm tt
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Re: OM 20

Postby raphaelmabo » 14 Jun 2017 09:21

The OM cartridges are distorsion free :)... I liked the OM20 for it's detail, transparency and large soundstage. I wouldn't say that the difference between OM10 and OM20 is big, it's more subtle but OM20 has a little more details and focused soundstage.

Distorsion can have many causes, I would check the alignment and setting of the cartridge and see to that the records are clean (some records has dirt in the grooves that are not visibly by the eye). Well played records may also cause distorsion, it depends on the stylus that has been used before.
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Re: OM 20

Postby VinylDan1 » 14 Jun 2017 15:26

I'm mostly talking about Inner groove distortion. I use a Concorde Pro S with the STY10 on my Technics SL1200MK2. No adjustments are able to be done besides tracking weight and AS, which I have set at 1.5. It's not awful, but barely noticible as some records near the end. Looking for an improvement there. Otherwise I like it a lot.
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Re: OM 20

Postby VinylDan1 » 14 Jun 2017 15:27

Keep me posted on your thoughts. Thanks guys.
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Re: OM 20

Postby T.O.S. » 14 Jun 2017 18:35

The ProS original is a dj stylus ( https://www.ortofon.com/concorde-pro-s-p-169 ) SPHERICAL ,with fairy low lateral dynamic compliance 7um/mN .
The OM10 is an ellyptical bonded stylus ,dynamic lateral compliance 25um/mN
(https://www.ortofon.com/stylus-10-p-370) . The OM 20 is nude ellyptical ,lower mass,better than the 10
Both are superior ,hifi styluses. Don't know about the STY 10 , I assume it could be a third party replacement ? Most users say the originals Ortofon are way better .
I admit ,never heard a third party replacement ,the ProS or the Sty10 , so, can't judge them
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Re: OM 20

Postby KentT » 14 Jun 2017 21:53

However, the OM ProS shines as a pre 1965 mono stylus as it's radius is ideally suited for such records.
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Re: OM 20

Postby VinylDan1 » 14 Jun 2017 22:17

T.O.S. wrote:The ProS original is a dj stylus ( https://www.ortofon.com/concorde-pro-s-p-169 ) SPHERICAL ,with fairy low lateral dynamic compliance 7um/mN .
The OM10 is an ellyptical bonded stylus ,dynamic lateral compliance 25um/mN
(https://www.ortofon.com/stylus-10-p-370) . The OM 20 is nude ellyptical ,lower mass,better than the 10
Both are superior ,hifi styluses. Don't know about the STY 10 , I assume it could be a third party replacement ? Most users say the originals Ortofon are way better .
I admit ,never heard a third party replacement ,the ProS or the Sty10 , so, can't judge them


The STY10 is just the replacement stylus used on the OM10 cartridge. I am using that stylus (which is an original Ortofon) on the Concorde ProS cartridge. It is a popular option for those of us using 1200s in the audiophile world. You had an STY10 and went and bought a STY20 stylus, which is the replacement stylus for the OM20 cartridge. I want to know the differences between the two styli.
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Re: OM 20

Postby T.O.S. » 15 Jun 2017 19:11

I didn't listened the OM10 on a classic pivoting tonearm .On tangential Technics tonearm I didn't heard inner groove distortion . Our friend Rafael from Sweden seems to be right until now , the acoustical differences from 10to 20 seem to be marginal or subtle to my ears . Both elliptical , 10 is bonded and 20 is nude. If after more burn in the differences won't be bigger than I hear now , probably I'll say the difference in price doesn't worth.
Didn't heard the 30 wich is said to have the best sound/money
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Re: OM 20

Postby DeepEnd » 16 Jun 2017 08:05

I think Rafael is correct the difference is more of a "refinement" than dramatic between the 10 and the 20. The 20 is slightly less prone to sibilance (particularly on female vocals), gives a slightly smoother tone on violins, gets less confused on complex classical recordings, gives a slightly more precise imagery and tracks slightly better.

These are the things that I would expect to continue to improve during the initial burn in period so you may find the differences sort of "sneak up on you" and it may be a while before they are fully apparent but once noticed it's hard to go back and not have them.

Yes the 30 is more of a jump in performance and I actually prefer this to the more expensive 40.
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Re: OM 20

Postby Palomero » 17 Jun 2017 14:38

I have a SL1200 MKII and in this turntable (Musical Fidelity V90 Lps preamp), i prefer my Ortofon MC1 Turbo to my 2M Bronze.

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Re: OM 20

Postby Bkfunker » 18 Jun 2017 03:04

VinylDan1 wrote:I'm mostly talking about Inner groove distortion. I use a Concorde Pro S with the STY10 on my Technics SL1200MK2. No adjustments are able to be done besides tracking weight and AS, which I have set at 1.5. It's not awful, but barely noticible as some records near the end. Looking for an improvement there. Otherwise I like it a lot.


Want big improvement? Put an Om30 on the cart and let your ears be pleased!
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Re: OM 20

Postby Bkfunker » 18 Jun 2017 03:06

DeepEnd wrote:I think Rafael is correct the difference is more of a "refinement" than dramatic between the 10 and the 20. The 20 is slightly less prone to sibilance (particularly on female vocals), gives a slightly smoother tone on violins, gets less confused on complex classical recordings, gives a slightly more precise imagery and tracks slightly better.

These are the things that I would expect to continue to improve during the initial burn in period so you may find the differences sort of "sneak up on you" and it may be a while before they are fully apparent but once noticed it's hard to go back and not have them.

Yes the 30 is more of a jump in performance and I actually prefer this to the more expensive 40.


I've seen many say they prefer the 30 to the 40 and it surprises me alot. Although I love my 30!
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Re: OM 20

Postby E.Man » 18 Jun 2017 06:18

Yes; I'm a '30 guy'. But not at the cost of Ortofon genuine now.
JICO is doing them now for about $60 US. I've read they are not the same stylus shape as the original Ortofon 30.
Canadian Seller 'JelloAlien' sells some that he says are JICO without the JICO brand sticker for about half that. I don't know what would make JICO sell unmarked product unless they wanted turnover or they thought them 'unworthy' for some reason.
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