New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by chgc » 24 Apr 2019 16:19

Your work sounds very interesting. Can you provide any links where we might see pictures and learn more about your carbon cantilevers?

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by wolfie62 » 25 Apr 2019 01:34

Currently I do this for myself. I started out on ADC and Shure vintage carts. Retipping beryllium cantilevers on Shures. Unobtanium. Then ADC. Now Empires.

I like easy. I found an easy way that works well. And very inexpensive.

I should add that I purchase the rods, after finding the manufacturer.

Also, there are different resin formuli used, and different fiber wraps. I use a maximally hard resin, straight and double reverse helix wrap. It makes a very stiff, very light rod.

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by cafe latte » 30 Apr 2019 10:20

More testing, at95e on sp10mk2, sound 8s great, but slight harshness to music, an edge that wants music turned down when very loud. Swap out to standard green stylus and add the l.p. gear carbon cantilever stylus and things smooth off, but still super detailed AT sound just not harsh like before. The AT 95e sound great considering its cost but it has that mm sound and some tracks can make you wince when loud, the c.f. cantilever stylus is really another thing far sweeter and yet looking nothing.
Now convinced the c.f. is way better. Need to try the ml and compare it to c.f. now.
Chris

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by smee4 » 30 Apr 2019 11:58

cafe latte wrote:
30 Apr 2019 10:20

Now convinced the c.f. is way better. Need to try the ml and compare it to c.f. now.
Chris
Looking forward to that comparison.

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by Boltman92124 » 30 Apr 2019 15:40

cafe latte wrote:
30 Apr 2019 10:20
More testing, at95e on sp10mk2, sound 8s great, but slight harshness to music, an edge that wants music turned down when very loud. Swap out to standard green stylus and add the l.p. gear carbon cantilever stylus and things smooth off, but still super detailed AT sound just not harsh like before. The AT 95e sound great considering its cost but it has that mm sound and some tracks can make you wince when loud, the c.f. cantilever stylus is really another thing far sweeter and yet looking nothing.
Now convinced the c.f. is way better. Need to try the ml and compare it to c.f. now.
Chris
I'll have to give my CF95se another listen soon. I'm rolling with a new AT120eb right now and really enjoying it. It's the 100e minus the sibilant stuff and even more detail.

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by cafe latte » 30 Apr 2019 23:01

Boltman92124 wrote:
30 Apr 2019 15:40
cafe latte wrote:
30 Apr 2019 10:20
More testing, at95e on sp10mk2, sound 8s great, but slight harshness to music, an edge that wants music turned down when very loud. Swap out to standard green stylus and add the l.p. gear carbon cantilever stylus and things smooth off, but still super detailed AT sound just not harsh like before. The AT 95e sound great considering its cost but it has that mm sound and some tracks can make you wince when loud, the c.f. cantilever stylus is really another thing far sweeter and yet looking nothing.
Now convinced the c.f. is way better. Need to try the ml and compare it to c.f. now.
Chris
I'll have to give my CF95se another listen soon. I'm rolling with a new AT120eb right now and really enjoying it. It's the 100e minus the sibilant stuff and even more detail.
Out this evening so it will be tomorrow, but will try the ml against the CF95se, proved already it is a step up on the old elliptical green standard.
Chris

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by Boltman92124 » 01 May 2019 15:50

I pulled out a tough test for the CF95se last night. It's an original pressing of Soul II Soul's debut album. It has club style deep bass that is tough to track on a cheap cart (Ortofon Omega did not hold up well). The CF95se did a really nice job. Sounded excellent. Not as detailed or extended on top as the AT120eb though. Still, nice slam and clean bass lines.

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by cafe latte » 02 May 2019 10:05

Listening now, the ml is thinner, and the cf95se is fuller in the mids with similar detail. If I have to call a winner I would probably say ml, but i prefer the carbon. Ml is leaner which may mean more accurate, but to me carbon sounds better. Going to be subjective IMO, card in is a real bargain as fraction of cost.
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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by Boltman92124 » 02 May 2019 17:02

cafe latte wrote:
02 May 2019 10:05
Listening now, the ml is thinner, and the cf95se is fuller in the mids with similar detail. If I have to call a winner I would probably say ml, but i prefer the carbon. Ml is leaner which may mean more accurate, but to me carbon sounds better. Going to be subjective IMO, card in is a real bargain as fraction of cost.
Chris
It is pretty fat sounding. Definitely on the warmer side.(CF95se).

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by patient_ot » 02 May 2019 17:11

Myself and some others have measured the FR of the 95ML. The frequency response is very flat-ish. Don't know about the CF95SE because I don't have one. This is with 100pf at the phono preamp and assume another 100pf from the cables, with a 47K load.

https://i.imgur.com/SOdMEg8l.png

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by cafe latte » 02 May 2019 23:42

patient_ot wrote:
02 May 2019 17:11
Myself and some others have measured the FR of the 95ML. The frequency response is very flat-ish. Don't know about the CF95SE because I don't have one. This is with 100pf at the phono preamp and assume another 100pf from the cables, with a 47K load.

https://i.imgur.com/SOdMEg8l.png
Now I am curious what the plot of the carbon is. My guess is a slight lift in mids and bass. It does not take much of a frequency shift for a big difference. Your plot startes at 500 hz, I wonder if the bass difference is much lower?
Chris

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by smee4 » 02 May 2019 23:51

patient_ot wrote:
02 May 2019 17:11
Myself and some others have measured the FR of the 95ML. The frequency response is very flat-ish. Don't know about the CF95SE because I don't have one. This is with 100pf at the phono preamp and assume another 100pf from the cables, with a 47K load.

https://i.imgur.com/SOdMEg8l.png
Thanks for posting that. Nice to see that what my ears were saying shows up in a test. Nicely flat-ish :)

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by patient_ot » 03 May 2019 02:30

cafe latte wrote:
02 May 2019 23:42
patient_ot wrote:
02 May 2019 17:11
Myself and some others have measured the FR of the 95ML. The frequency response is very flat-ish. Don't know about the CF95SE because I don't have one. This is with 100pf at the phono preamp and assume another 100pf from the cables, with a 47K load.

https://i.imgur.com/SOdMEg8l.png
Now I am curious what the plot of the carbon is. My guess is a slight lift in mids and bass. It does not take much of a frequency shift for a big difference. Your plot startes at 500 hz, I wonder if the bass difference is much lower?
Chris
I don't have the CF95SE to test unfortunately. I can test the lower frequency regions by reanalyzing the sweep, but nothing below 40hz with the test records I have. I will say I've played a few bass heavy albums with the 95ml and haven't found it lacking at all.

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by smee4 » 03 May 2019 02:31

patient_ot wrote:
03 May 2019 02:30

I don't have the CF95SE to test unfortunately. I can test the lower frequency regions by reanalyzing the sweep, but nothing below 40hz with the test records I have. I will say I've played a few bass heavy albums with the 95ml and haven't found it lacking at all.
I agree. The bass is there and nicely balanced. Quite clean too.

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Re: New LP Gear Carbon Fiber AT95se

Post by patient_ot » 03 May 2019 02:32

smee4 wrote:
02 May 2019 23:51
Thanks for posting that. Nice to see that what my ears were saying shows up in a test. Nicely flat-ish :)
Yes it is closer to flat than most people might expect.

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