EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by BMRR » 03 Feb 2017 14:47

Thanks guys! I'm very appreciative of the photos and information.

Does the 246-DEX track well at 1.25g-1.5g? If I buy one, I would use it in a P-mount turntable that maxes out at 1.5g. And I guess my biggest question is: would it sound better than an AT92E (which I could get for a few dollars less than the 246-DEX)?

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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by wualta » 03 Feb 2017 18:17

Heck yeah to both questions.

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Post by wualta » 03 Feb 2017 22:43

Update: Verifying that the IMS P-2000 (which, by the way, is related to the otherwise mysterious Ultra Magnetics by Recoton UM500A p-mount that pops up in those amusing what-the-heck-is-this-thing threads) comes with a stylus does have its magnet in its nose, which allows it to behave just like a moving-magnet stylus. The IMS body not only accepts the Empire moving-magnet styli as 'stein showed; it also allows those styli to work without the interference a body magnet might cause, as when an Empire stylus is used in the Sonus or Marantz versions.

The IMS body won't work with a Sonus or Marantz stylus, because those rely on the presence of a body magnet.

My IMS clocks in at about 680mH, while my Sonus is around 650mH. Virtually the same.

Okay. As you were.

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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by BMRR » 05 Feb 2017 17:08

I received the Empire 7755D stylus yesterday. I immediately noticed how thin the cantilever is — much thinner than I was expecting. I've never seen the Pfanstiehl 740-D7 in person, but photos on the web seem to depict a significantly thicker cantilever than the Empire counterpart.

The back of the package indicates "genuine replacement stylus for Fisher MG-57 cartridge, stylus ST-57," and doesn't mention any other carts/styli.

I wasn't familiar with the Fisher MG-57, so I Googled it. A UK web site called Stylus Plus indicates the following about the MG-57:
Original Cartridge No: MG-57
Original Stylus No: ST-57D
Stylus Type: Spherical Diamond
Cartridge Type: Induced Magnet
Output: Stereo
Tracking Weight: 1.25 Grams
If it's true that the MG-57 is an induced magnet body and the stylus is meant to track at 1.25g, that would suggest that it's very similar or perhaps identical to the 205LT body... and if the Empire 7755D is indeed an exact replacement for the ST-57 stylus, then it should therefore also be a direct replacement for the S205 stylus... yes?

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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by wualta » 05 Feb 2017 18:55

When there's confusion about whether a stylus that's appeared as both a MM and MI is one thing or the other, I tend to distrust vendors' statements.

But you can peer closely at your newly-arrived stylus and look for the telltale permalloy sleeve that surrounds the tail end of a MI cantilever; a bit of it almost always pokes out of the rubber suspension grommet. If the cantilever is perfectly smooth and sleeveless all the way into the grommet, chances are very good it's MM.

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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by BMRR » 05 Feb 2017 19:43

Thanks for that information! Here are two more photos: one of the white S205 (and what's left of its cantilever) and one of the black 7755D.

The S205 appears to have a very prominent sleeve into which the cantilever inserts; the 7755D also appears to have a metal sleeve, although it doesn't stick out quite as far. Thoughts?
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Post by wualta » 05 Feb 2017 22:36

Cool! They both look IM/MI to me! But you can verify further by straightening out a staple and poking it into the rear of the cantilever tube to check for a magnet. No magnet, it's gotta be IM/MI.

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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by ralfisto » 19 Apr 2017 19:33

Hello,

a SONUS SPM-3 sounds also great with an EVG
hyperelliptic stylus for the Empire 1085 lt.

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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by huk40 » 21 Apr 2017 17:35

Hello great people! This is my first post here, amazing forum!
So strictly to the point - can you please Help me indentify this cartridge?
Thanks
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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by vastsip » 02 Jun 2018 17:37

Amazing info in this forum, i have learned a lot an hopefully i can contribute another curiosity.
This was an interesting find. I very recently bought this Empire 390LT and immideately noticed that its top was painted silver, as opposed to the rest of the silver plastic case. By using a bit of isopropyl alcohool and a bit of elbow grease, the original(?) model number appeared as
Empire 775 XLT.
Another proof that you dont realy know what you are getting with these cartridges...In any case it has the gold platted cartridge cover that features in the 875 XLT.
It has the blue styli which suffers from the mistracking of highs (a bit rattly) as documented in several threads here and in audiogon.
I am thinking of trying either the clear eliptical from Jilco or the red VL by Tonar. Any suggestions?
I use them on my SL-10.
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Re: EMPIRE cartridge experts: know anything about this cart?

Post by lini » 03 Jun 2018 10:14

h40: Older Acutex M306 to 315II or respectively Azden/Piezo YM308(II) family.

Greetings from Munich!

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