Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

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Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by zeppeliner » 28 Nov 2016 20:33

Yes I have said it before. I have a quite worn ATN 13 stylus on a AT 13ea cartridge.

Does an original red NOS ATS 13 E stylus fit?

Is it a downgrade or about the same in quality?

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Re: Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by AlwaysAirborne » 29 Nov 2016 00:16

The ATS13E body does not fit the AT13ea cart. The cantilever assembly is the same for both and it is held in with only a tiny screw, so you have the option of transplanting the cantilever from the ATS13e stylus body into your old ATN13 stylus body if you have a precision screwdriver. It would be a delicate job. You could try removing and reinstalling the cant in your old stylus first to see if you want to try doing this.

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Re: Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by jdjohn » 29 Nov 2016 03:23

I just acquired an ATN13 NOS stylus that I assumed would fit my AT13EX cartridge. It doesn't. I would like for it to go to a good home if you know of one ;) PM me if interested.

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Re: Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by jdjohn » 16 Dec 2016 05:43

I had the opportunity to take up-close comparison pics of the ATS13EX and ATN13EA stylii diamond shapes, so I thought I would share them here. This gets a little confusing since (to my understanding) the AT13EX cartridge takes the ATS13 stylus replacement, and the AT13Ea cartridge takes an ATN13 stylus :crazy: The measurements of the cartridge bodies (and thus the replacement stylii) are different, so always be careful in choosing replacement stylii for these two different cartridges.

The original stylus for both of these models (and many NOS replacements) was a nude elliptical diamond tip, so if you can find an original, grab it...they sound very good when setup properly. Unfortunately, most newer replacement stylii for these are bonded ellipticals, so do your homework, ask questions of the seller, and open your wallet if you want the nudies.

As mentioned, both stylii have nude-mounted elliptical-cut diamonds, but they differ in shape and orientation. The ATS13 is mounted straight, and the ATN13 is mounted on a 45 degree bias. Another difference is the ATS13 gem being a rectangular shank, while the ATN13 has a square shank. Here is a comparison look from the front; the ATS13 is on the right, the ATN13 on the left.
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Side view of both: ATS13 on the right, ATN13 on the left.
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Bottom view: ATS13 on the right, ATN13 on the left.
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These have quite different shank shapes, and the ATN13 in this comparison has a smaller cantilever end as well.

More information is better than less, so please chime-in with additional considerations or corrections @lini :)

IMO, either AT13 cartridge with original or NOS replacement stylii (nudies) is quite nice and at the top-of-the-line of Audio Technica ellipticals.

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Re: Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by lini » 16 Dec 2016 13:28

John: Interesting. Probably a very old ATN13. Mine all have the rectangular-shanked diamond.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

P.S.: "Top of the line" would somewhat depend on the definition. Really top of the line among the ellipticals would have rather been the stone of the AT1000MC, which also was a sharp, true elliptical, but with a shank size of just 0.06 x 0.06 mm and mounted on diamond cantilever. I.e., the stones of the ATS13, ATN13 & AT130E/132EP already are nice high-quality ellipticals, but in terms of miniaturisation still quite a bit away from the really tiny stones on quit a few high-class MCs. Whereas, as far as I'm aware, the AT-MMs with the thinnest-shanked elliptical diamonds would have been the AT24/25 and the AT150Ea with 0.09 x 0.09 and 0.1 x 0.1 mm.

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Re: Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by jdjohn » 16 Dec 2016 17:28

lini: I think the square shank ATN13 is OEM, whereas the rectangular is aftermarket? According to this page from the AT cartridge pamphlet, the diamond superscript mark for stylus construction indicates a square shank referenced in the footnote.
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I find it odd how that chart ignores the AT13EX and only has the AT13Ea. Is the AT13E the same as AT13EX, and even the AT13EaX? I have seen all three mentioned in various online discussions.

At any rate, perhaps the square shanks were part of the progression towards linear contact tips.

Thanks for expounding on TOTL AT ellipticals. I knew you would have the information!

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Re: Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by lini » 17 Dec 2016 04:24

John: Actually your ATN13 is the first I've seen with a square-shanked diamond. And it wouldn't make any sense to me that AT should have produced ATN13s with the rectangular-shaked diamond as original replacement needles and ATN13s with the square-shanked diamond as stock needles for the AT13Ea at the same time, 'cause two versions would have cost more to produce and only confused the customers.

So I'd deem it more likely that early ATS13 and ATN13 exemplars might have still had the square-shanked diamond, as these basically were follow-ups to the VM35-EL, while later ATS13s and ATN13s had the rectangular-shanked diamond, which the ATN130E/132EP also had later on.

Or you might have one of the rare errors, similar to John (boreas) over on AK, who has an ATN120E, that rather appears to sport the cantilever assembly of the AT120Ea.

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

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Re: Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by jdjohn » 23 Jul 2019 00:51

Following-up on this archival post, specifically the part where @lini mentions the VM35-EL. I can confirm that a VM35-EL stylus will fit AT13E cartridges, but NOT AT13Ea carts as already mentioned above.

The VM35-EL stylus is a real beauty:
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Our friend @Delta667 also has some pics here: https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_f ... start=5654

IMO, there is a real sweet spot in value with the AT13EX & AT13E2 if you can find them WITH a good stylus.

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Re: Audio technica ATS 13 E vs ATN 13 stylus?

Post by themisto462 » 23 Jul 2019 11:51

jdjohn wrote:
23 Jul 2019 00:51
I can confirm that a VM35-EL stylus will fit AT13E cartridges, but NOT AT13Ea carts as already mentioned above.
Except for the "Japanese" version of the AT13E fom 1976... . :wink:

https://www.audio-technica.co.jp/cartri ... AT13EG.png

Regards.

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