Realistic RXT6

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Realistic RXT6

Post by romanose » 29 Jul 2016 23:13

I've got a headshell coming and they said it has the RXT6 cartridge on it with a half inch adapter I'm sure. I can't find any information other than what's on here. It kinda sounds like it's a p-mount version of a Shure V-15 maybe TYPE-4?

Can I use the Jico TYPE-IV stylus? Probably the HE version?

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by Tinkaroo » 29 Jul 2016 23:33

Try Shure N111HE.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by romanose » 30 Jul 2016 00:32

Yeah, that seems to be discontinued. Turntable Needles lists it but there is no buy button. I'm guessing they're out. I can get a twenty dollar pfanstiehl. It seems to cross to a V15VxMR. So a V-15 type V then. Maybe. What do others use. Hate to spend nearly $300 on something that won't fit.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by haroldj1923 » 30 Jul 2016 06:39

The RXT6 is the Rat Shack/Shure version of the M111E. it has a 0.2 x 0.7 mil elliptical tip.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by 33audio » 30 Jul 2016 07:31

Must be the M111E. I have an RXT6 spec sheet and it doesn't match with
anything exactly in any available spec sheets. Very close to the M97HE in trackability.

Can't find any info on the M111E.
That is probably what it is, or the closest.

RXT6 spec sheet is 1988. M111HE is in 1983 literature so the M111E must have been
made for only a couple years in the early 80s. Assuming it preceded the HE.

RXT6: 400Hz - 25 cm/sec
1000 - 35
5000 - 37
10,000 - 26

at 1.25 grams (optimum tracking force)

Output 4.0 mV at 5cm/sec

separation 30db at 1000 Hz

2 x 7 elliptical

It is a good cartridge. Found a stack of them at RS blowout sale.
Everyone of them had the cantilever mounted perfectly.

Stylus guard is white.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by romanose » 30 Jul 2016 11:42

Yeah, it looks exactly like the M111E. Looking on e-bay most are going for over $100, more like a hundred and a half. LP Gear says the best cross is a M97xE. I guess I'll get the HE version from Jico for $100. Should sound as good as my M95HE I hope.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by 33audio » 30 Jul 2016 16:26

http://www.jico-stylus.com/advanced_sea ... =2a&page=2

This is the neo-SAS for the M95E/M95HE.

The 2004 Shure replacement guide shows that the N95HE is a replacement stylus
for the M111HE.

Neo-SAS has a sapphire cantilever.

http://www.33audio.com/enter/data/2004r ... tguide.pdf

This is the 2004 quide.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by Tinkaroo » 30 Jul 2016 17:00

The Shure stylus guide suggests the now discontinued NE97HE stylus as a possible replacement for the RXT6.

Here is what LP Tunes has as a replacement, which seems more reasonably priced.

http://www.lptunes.com/Shure-elliptical ... ne97he.htm

http://www.lpgear.com/product/SHNE97HEL.html

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by 33audio » 30 Jul 2016 17:26

The neo-SAS is $289 at LPtunes, only $211 from JICO.

Yes, the N97xE is far more practical. Personally, I would
avoid the aftermarket HE. No doubt the elliptical on the
Shure original is shaped properly.

I couldn't verify that the N97xE is a replacement for the NE97HE.
The 2004 guide does not verify this.
This may be an LPtunes assumption based on trying it themselves.
It will work, but the magnet alignment is not optimum and there
will be something strange about the response curve.

Perhaps JICO has an elliptical.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by 33audio » 30 Jul 2016 17:37

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shure-M95ED-Sty ... SwZG9WlBmz

Is this correct? Nagaoka makes Tonar aftermarket?

Perhaps this is where some of the aftermarket Japanese
products originate.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by Tinkaroo » 30 Jul 2016 17:43

33audio wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shure-M95ED-Sty ... SwZG9WlBmz

Is this correct? Nagaoka makes Tonar aftermarket?

Perhaps this is where some of the aftermarket Japanese
products originate.
I know that Nagaoka made some cartridges for Tonar at one time, but as far as stylii go there is no definitive proof that Nagaoka is making them for Tonar. They may be Jico, but again nobody knows for certain.

I have bought some Nagaoka produced Shure N75ED Type 2 stylii that clearly say Nagaoka on the package, and they look different from any Tonar one's I've ever bought.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by 33audio » 30 Jul 2016 17:53

This seller doesn't show a label with Nagaoka on it.

He may have seen a Nagaoka in a Tonar box and assumed that
all Tonar are Nagaoka.

Tonar is simply another re-boxer.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by Tinkaroo » 30 Jul 2016 18:03

Here is a Nagaoka made stylus. Actually a pretty good one.
Nagaoka Shure.JPG
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Yes, Tonar is a re-packager.

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by 33audio » 30 Jul 2016 19:04

I notice the black dot on the cantilever.

Some say that this means JICO, when on EV or Pfanstiehl.

Is the dot a Nagaoka code?

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Re: Realistic RXT6

Post by wualta » 30 Jul 2016 21:40

I think we need to ask romanose if he intends to use this cartridge on a p-mount table or a standard-mount table, and, if it's a p-mount table, which model the table is.
romanose wrote: ...It seems to cross to a V15VxMR. So a V-15 type V then. Maybe. What do others use. Hate to spend nearly $300 on something that won't fit.
Speaking hypothetically, if (a big if!) you could find a VN5xMR stylus for sane cash, it would indeed fit the RXT6, but the highest highs-- the sparkle-- would be further reduced, which may or may not be important to you.

That's because the RXT6 isn't a clone of a V15anything; it's a different cartridge altogether, a p-mount version of the old much-missed M97ED (not to be confused with the current M97xE), and, while the stylus is very similar to the N111E, to track as well as the M111E or M97ED, the 6's tracking force has to be set about 0.25g heavier, according to Shure's published specs. Why this is, I don't know.

The best genuine Shure styli are out of production and increasingly hard to find, but there are still some good candidates to be found off the beaten path. Here are a couple..
romanose wrote: ...I guess I'll get the HE version from Jico for $100. Should sound as good as my M95HE I hope.
If you don't mind doing some minor plastic surgery and don't need the damper brush ("Dynamic Stabilizer"), you can still get a Shure-made version of the M97ED, namely the SS39ED, for $61 shipped within the US. It's at thevoiceofmusic.com. The surgery: You have to pop off the RXT6's glued-on plastic cap with your fingers.

If you want a Shure-made N95HE on your RXT6, the funny-looking bright green N15 stylus is currently available from an eBay seller for $100 shipped. Since it's an N95HE in disguise, it doesn't have the tracking ability of later styli like the SS39ED, and, since the big green "wings" don't hug the cartridge body snugly, a tiny dab of poster putty comes in handy.

Now, if you can find a real N111E or N111HE, of course grab it/them.

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