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Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 25 May 2016 18:52
by Spinosaurus
I discovered a Grace F9 in my sons storage with a missing stylus. Would like to resurrect it having given to him way back in the 80s. I see someone on eBay selling a new stylus which appears to be a modified Andante F9 stylus that fits and of course many laudatory comments in his reviews. Can anyone here speak to the efficacy of this replacement stylus for the Grace F9. This is clearly much cheaper than a rebuild but could also be a waste of money. I am using several older MC cartridges and would like to try the old MM that I once loved.

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 25 May 2016 19:07
by AudioSoul
Soundsmith makes their own replacement stylus for the F9. They have a good reputation......

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 25 May 2016 20:45
by jdjohn
Is it this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grace-F9-stylus ... SwFGNWR2-5 I got one of those, and it has a conical tip, not elliptical.
Here's a pic:
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The Pioneer PN400 stylus will also fit the Grace F9 AFTER some trimming, and it has an elliptical tip. Here are some for sale. http://www.ebay.com/itm/PN400-PIONEER-S ... 2041549759? The used F9 I bought had one of these Pioneer styli on it. It sounds better that the Andante conical...and it's much cheaper :) Clearly the Soundsmith would sound much, much better, so you've really got choices at the extreme ends of the spectrum here!

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 25 May 2016 20:59
by Spinosaurus
Thank you jdjohn. Perfect answer. The first URL is the one I was looking at but of course it doesn't mention that is is conical. The fact that the Pioneer also fits is totally new to me. I was thinking of getting Andy at Needle Clinic to retip it or buying a Soundsmith replacement but was wanting to try it out a bit to see if I wanted to go that route before spending the larger amount. I am currently using a Dynavector 23RS that I bought years ago new but never used until recently and am impressed with it but could use a better MC transformer/amplifier so am trying to spend the money wisely.

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 25 May 2016 22:04
by jdjohn
You're very welcome, Spino. I had no idea either about the Pioneer stylus compatibility, but the eBay seller of the Grace F9 I purchased disclosed it in his listing since it had a Pioneer stylus mounted, and then we messaged back-and-forth a little more about specifics. He was very helpful.

I also messaged the eBay seller of those Andante styli, inquiring about the tip shape, but he didn't know. I bought one anyway, and then later sent him that same pic after-the-fact, pointing out that it is conical. He seemed excited initially and asked if he could use my pic in his future listings, to which I agreed. But I guess he changed his mind on using the pic since that would disclose it was conical and might cause him to miss a sale. The tip shape is conveniently missing in his item description, although as you noticed, he does go on and on about how good his stylus sounds for the price.

So anyway, now I have the Pioneer stylus that came with my F9, and I have the conical, and I purchased a few more of those Pioneer styli as backups. Maybe someday I'll get the Soundsmith replacement as well. From what I have heard, the F9 probably deserves a top-notch stylus, but it's good to have options!

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 26 May 2016 01:50
by AudioSoul
jdjohn wrote:Is it this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grace-F9-stylus ... SwFGNWR2-5 I got one of those, and it has a conical tip, not elliptical.
Here's a pic:
F9 replacement.jpg
The Pioneer PN400 stylus will also fit the Grace F9 AFTER some trimming, and it has an elliptical tip. Here are some for sale. http://www.ebay.com/itm/PN400-PIONEER-S ... 2041549759? The used F9 I bought had one of these Pioneer styli on it. It sounds better that the Andante conical...and it's much cheaper :) Clearly the Soundsmith would sound much, much better, so you've really got choices at the extreme ends of the spectrum here!
That would be a F9D stylus for conical. The "E" stands for elliptical.....

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 26 May 2016 02:19
by awty
jdjohn wrote:You're very welcome, Spino. I had no idea either about the Pioneer stylus compatibility, but the eBay seller of the Grace F9 I purchased disclosed it in his listing since it had a Pioneer stylus mounted, and then we messaged back-and-forth a little more about specifics. He was very helpful.

I also messaged the eBay seller of those Andante styli, inquiring about the tip shape, but he didn't know. I bought one anyway, and then later sent him that same pic after-the-fact, pointing out that it is conical. He seemed excited initially and asked if he could use my pic in his future listings, to which I agreed. But I guess he changed his mind on using the pic since that would disclose it was conical and might cause him to miss a sale. The tip shape is conveniently missing in his item description, although as you noticed, he does go on and on about how good his stylus sounds for the price.

So anyway, now I have the Pioneer stylus that came with my F9, and I have the conical, and I purchased a few more of those Pioneer styli as backups. Maybe someday I'll get the Soundsmith replacement as well. From what I have heard, the F9 probably deserves a top-notch stylus, but it's good to have options!
How do you modify the pioneer to make it fit?

I have a couple of the Soundsmith replacements, that are very good. Actually have just sent them back for a retip.

Might try the pioneer to compare. Looks like the right shaft.

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 26 May 2016 04:26
by jdjohn
So tonight I opened one of the Pioneer PN400s to see what modification would be necessary, and the answer is: none. I plugged it right into the Grace F9 as-is, and it works just fine. I must have misunderstood my Chinese friend when we were messaging.

Here are a few side-by-side pics of the yellow unbranded stylus that came with my F9, and the greenish Pioneer PN400 that I bought separately.
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Here is a pic of the PN400 mounted on the Grace F9.
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And finally here is a pic of the bonded elliptical tip on the PN400.
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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 26 May 2016 04:42
by Alec124c41
AudioSoul wrote:Soundsmith makes their own replacement stylus for the F9. They have a good reputation......
http://www.sound-smith.com/parts/grace- ... tylus.html

Cheers,
Alec

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 26 May 2016 12:35
by awty
[quote="jdjohn"]So tonight I opened one of the Pioneer PN400s to see what modification would be necessary, and the answer is: none.
/quote]

Thanks.
Ordered one and will give it a shot.

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 26 May 2016 15:20
by jdjohn
That's great, awty. Can't really go wrong at that price. Please report back your results comparing to the SoundSmith styli. I know the SS will sound worlds better, but it would be helpful to get your side-by-side comparison for reference purposes. I may pop on one of the SS versions one day.

Interestingly, from out of the blue I got a PM from the eBay seller of those conical tips, asking me where I got my stylus from. Is the seller here in the forum???

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 27 May 2016 22:29
by Spinosaurus
AWTY, that would be outstanding if you could compare the Pioneer stylus and the SS version. It would be outstanding if someone could also give us a review of the retipping done by Andy at Needle Clinic, then we would have a complete rundown of possibilities.

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 27 May 2016 23:42
by AudioSoul
I purchased a Grace F9E on Ebay for $200. No one bid on it, I was astounded because there were others going for $350-500. The seller was the original owner and the cart. was in pristine condition. I checked the stylus as soon as I got it. It didn't have any black on it like some use carts. do. I have it mounted on a Grace G707mkII arm on a Thorens TD-150. This is the best MM cart. I have ever owned

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 28 May 2016 21:29
by Spinosaurus
Just received my Pioneer stylus, this one is kind of a khaki green. It goes into the Grace F9, but it fits very loosely both on the sides and in the stylus hole. I placed some tape on the sides to hold it firmly and will mount it when possible and give it a try.

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 29 May 2016 01:35
by Spinosaurus
Mounted the Grace just now (AT1100 arm on Sota Sapphire) and am pretty blown away about how good it sounds. It doesn't seem it should be so and of course I've only tried a couple of albums but it is very impressive so far. Am wondering how much nicer it could sound.
BTW. If you look on eBay right now, there is another Grace F9 with an odd looking stylus on it for sale, http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Grace-F-9- ... OSwgk1XFrd~, anyone recognize this stylus? It appears to have a BB on it in one of the views.