Stylus for Grace F9

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by stevoz » 19 Jun 2016 07:59

Grace knew :) ......the F9 has the reputation of being one of the best MM cart's ever.....an MC killer!! LPGear describes it thus: "One of the finest cartridges in the world, the F-9E — once heard, forever changes you. It becomes your personal definition of what musical is." High praise indeed..... =D> You indeed have a keeper!

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Spinosaurus » 06 Aug 2016 01:13

AWTY, never heard how your Grace F9 sounded when you put the Pioneer stylus in the Grace holder. Any comments?

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Alec124c41 » 06 Aug 2016 01:35

I have compared the F-9E to Shure V-15 III, IV, and V, with original ans SAS styluses, Grado Signature 8, and Signet AM-30, all on the SME 3009 Series 2 improved, with the interchangeable headshells. This is a light arm that best matches these.
The F-9 is, without question, the best of them.
With a non-Grace stylus, you are on your own. A Soundsmith would be good, but a generic made for a Pioneer?????
Would you be happy with all-season Motomaster tires on a Lamborghini?

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by fscl » 08 Aug 2016 15:35

Alec124c41 wrote:......snippage........
Would you be happy with all-season Motomaster tires on a Lamborghini?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Spinosaurus » 09 Aug 2016 03:06

Alec,
I appreciate your tire analogy but have you tried the Pioneer stylus in your Grace F9 cartridge? As a scientist I believe in experimentation and data. Logic tells me you are probably correct but you offer me no data, even empirical, about the superiority of the Soundsmith Stylus over the Pioneer.
I have an original Grace F9E original replacement stylus and have tried the Pioneer PN400 stylus and they might sound a little different but I would not consider one superior over the other, so my question was directed at AWTY who removed the Pioneer stylus from the plastic mount and put it into an original Grace stylus plastic mount and was wondering if that made a difference to his ears.
When you consider the tolerances that exist when making any cartridge, the idea of slipping a stylus in and out of cartridge must not be that critical or it would work poorly in most cases given how small all the parts are in a cartridge.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Alec124c41 » 09 Aug 2016 04:05

I hear you. Experimenting is a sign of a working mind, and I try to encourage it, myself. Sometimes, things do work out much better than one might expect, and that is very rewarding.
I have not tried the Pioneer stylus, and cannot comment on it, specifically. I have to assume that it was top line, and might be very good. A good stylus is a good stylus.
I would be less confident in a generic stylus that would fit, as a replacement for it.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Spinosaurus » 09 Aug 2016 17:09

Nice attitude Alec. By nature I like to experiment and by income I have to be as thrifty as possible so I do look for ways of conserving my budget. Obviously it is impossible to A/B the Pioneer stylus vs the Grace stylus but I was blown away when I first played the Pioneer stylus, not only that it actually worked but the sound was excellent.
I agree that the EV pioneer replacements might not be as good and of course at this point getting a real Pioneer stylus may be just as difficult as getting a Grace.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by fscl » 09 Aug 2016 18:44

Sorry spsaurus, it was just the mental image of Motomaster tires on a Lambo that set me off...... :lol:

Been following this topic too since stumbling upon a black body Grace F9 on a dirty offspeed Denon at a moving sale....... =D> =D>

So identifying nice sounding replacements via experimentation is of great interest..... =D> =D>

Have been to SoundSmith and having trouble deciding which cartridge / stylus / retip to take the plunge with...... #-o

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Alec124c41 » 09 Aug 2016 20:24

Fred, you can't go wrong. Any of Soundsmith's tips will be good. I have an F9E and an F-9R, and they both beat any other MM.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Van_Isle » 27 Dec 2016 18:37

I just picked up a Grace F9 ... it would be a F9e I believe according to the green-tinted stylus holder. Unfortunately the cantilever is toast on the stylus. I've ordered an Audio Technica ATN-952 stylus (same as Kenwood n49 and others) to try-out. However the packaging on the one I'm getting is marked 'E' so I'm hoping that designates an elliptical version. Too bad Jico no longer makes a SAS version of this stylus.

As far as Soundsmith goes, any comment on the validity of sending the original stylus for a replacement cantilever/tip vs. one of their pre-made replacement styli? In my mind it would be nice to keep it stock-looking.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Spinosaurus » 27 Dec 2016 20:01

So does the Audio Technica ATN-952 stylus also fit the Grace F9 cartridge like the Pioneer that started this thread?

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Van_Isle » 27 Dec 2016 20:11

The Pioneer didn't start this thread. This F-9 'replacement' stylus did:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grace-F9-stylus ... SwFGNWR2-5

That's a Kenwood n49 stylus ... same as the ATN-952 and a host of others.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Van_Isle » 27 Dec 2016 20:17

Here's the current eBay listing for that stylus:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grace-F9-stylus ... 2001149112

But that's not the specific stylus I ordered. I just searched Kenwood N49, ATN-952, etc. until I found one that might be elliptical rather than the conical that eBay seller is providing.

Assuming this fits ok, you can get a generic conical N49 from Voice of Music for $9.

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Spinosaurus » 27 Dec 2016 20:44

Van_isle you are absolutely correct and I should have known, I started the thread. I didn't see anyone post that the Kenwood n49 etc. was a Grace replacement possibility though as the mention of the Pioneer NC400 was. I am to assume then that the Kenwood n49 does fit the Grace F9 body?

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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Post by Van_Isle » 27 Dec 2016 22:44

That's what I've seen reported.

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