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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 19 Jun 2019 17:50
by jc3
bra10n wrote:
19 Jun 2019 05:35
jc3 wrote:
19 Jun 2019 05:03
...I sent an email to Jico a few years back and asked if they had plans for F-9 styli - their answer was short and sweet - 'no.'
Yet you knew at the time? that they were selling replacement Grace F9 replacement styli to the Japanese market?
I know that GRACE (Shinagawa Musen) has issued replacement F-14 styli to Japanese customers from time to time, but the price is astounding (around $1000, IIRC), and you have to be on some sort of pre-selected list.

I have checked JICO's Japanese site pretty regularly (at least a few times a year) for the past several years, and even have a couple proxy accounts for purchasing from them because they had been selling the Pioneer stylus I had used in the past to retip my Grace styli in an SAS version in Japan but not to the rest of the world. They do now, though. Anyhow, I have never seen any mention of Grace on their Japanese site, in at least the last three or four years. Do you have some reference for this info?

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 19 Jun 2019 20:38
by bra10n
jc3 wrote:
19 Jun 2019 17:50
Do you have some reference for this info?
No, not at all. I was merely asking.

On the Grace (Shinagawa Musen) styli re-issue I find it impossible to believe the company manufactured these styli.

Any reply to your email yet?

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 20 Jun 2019 02:49
by jc3
Nope - nothing yet. Will post the reply when/if I get one.

I forget where I saw this, but someone, somewhere said that they still have the tooling and it's the folks who used to work there in the 1970s and 80s that come in to make them occasionally. 100,000 yen each - *plus* postage! Right now, that's $929 USD. I'm not getting on that list!

Finally got my quote from Namiki. 30-45 days from now I'll have 10 aluminum cantilevers sporting nude Shibata tips. Magnets sgould be done around the same time. By the end of summer, I hope to be measuring compliance!

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 20 Jun 2019 03:47
by bra10n
jc3 wrote:
20 Jun 2019 02:49
Nope - nothing yet. Will post the reply when/if I get one.
I wouldn't hold your breath :D This is what a search shows as the listed business address.
jc3 wrote:
20 Jun 2019 02:49
I forget where I saw this, but someone, somewhere said that they still have the tooling and it's the folks who used to work there in the 1970s and 80s that come in to make them occasionally. 100,000 yen each - *plus* postage! Right now, that's $929 USD. I'm not getting on that list!
But come in where exactly... it's not likely the lights went out on manufacturing and the mould-injectors, scopes etc etc just sat there gathering dust. Nor highly unlikely the tooling/equipment was relocated for a rainy day. We are talking about Japan. Then there's the question of staff... 35 - 40 years on?
jc3 wrote:
20 Jun 2019 02:49
Finally got my quote from Namiki. 30-45 days from now I'll have 10 aluminum cantilevers sporting nude Shibata tips. Magnets sgould be done around the same time. By the end of summer, I hope to be measuring compliance!
Yes! I wish you every success. I look forward to it.

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 20 Jun 2019 08:47
by bra10n

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 20 Jun 2019 09:53
by stevoz
bra10n wrote:
19 Jun 2019 08:17
:toilet:
🖕 :lol:

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 20 Jun 2019 16:42
by jc3
According to someone over on another site:

"I have been in contact with a Japanese hifi enthusiast who gave me his f14. He is a registered customer and they used to make new styli for their registered customers from time to time. Invitation only, high price. He told me that they would be manufactured by retired personnel. He offered me to get one when he received an invitation but I recall that the price was just far too high for my liking."

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 23 Jul 2019 23:26
by Duntov
jc3 wrote:
20 Jun 2019 16:42
If you are interested, I took some pictures of my Soundsmith stylus to show how they do theirs. The cantilever tube is smaller than the cart. so they use a tube to make up the difference. I don't know the material but it is fairly soft. I am sure they get the cantilever and suspension ready made from an overseas supplier such as Adamant Namiki or someone else.

Interesting project you have!
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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 31 Aug 2019 16:10
by Dyolf
A small update on my latest effort regarding alternative styli for the F9e. Having tried the different Pioneer styli (200, 400, 1000) without getting any of the goosebumps I remembered from days of yore, I purchased an elliptical Technics replacement EPC24es in the (almost) correct color.46560
A self-constructed vice, and a Dremel with a very thin blade, resulted in a nice an tight finish, much better than expected, and way better than the Pioneer alternatives. I running at 1,8 grams, and already I'm hearing some of the good things I hoped for. Will be back with further impressions.
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Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 31 Aug 2019 19:31
by 33na3rd
Dyolf wrote:
31 Aug 2019 16:10
A small update on my latest effort regarding alternative styli for the F9e. Having tried the different Pioneer styli (200, 400, 1000) without getting any of the goosebumps I remembered from days of yore, I purchased an elliptical Technics replacement EPC24es in the (almost) correct color.46560
A self-constructed vice, and a Dremel with a very thin blade, resulted in a nice an tight finish, much better than expected, and way better than the Pioneer alternatives. I running at 1,8 grams, and already I'm hearing some of the good things I hoped for. Will be back with further impressions.
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Steen
Well done!

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 01 Sep 2019 09:53
by stevoz
Dyolf wrote:
31 Aug 2019 16:10
A small update on my latest effort regarding alternative styli for the F9e. Having tried the different Pioneer styli (200, 400, 1000) without getting any of the goosebumps I remembered from days of yore, I purchased an elliptical Technics replacement EPC24es in the (almost) correct color.46560
A self-constructed vice, and a Dremel with a very thin blade, resulted in a nice an tight finish, much better than expected, and way better than the Pioneer alternatives. I running at 1,8 grams, and already I'm hearing some of the good things I hoped for. Will be back with further impressions.
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Steen
Nice work and VERY interesting.....as I have an F9 that needs a stylus. :)

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 01 Sep 2019 12:42
by Dyolf
It took some steadyhanding in the matter of "dremmeling" the plastic, but two days later I'm overly satisfied with the result. The compliance of the elliptical Panasonic/Technics is identical to the original Grace stylus, and the tube seems to be spot on also. The recommended tracking force vary from the different manufactors, some says 1-1,5gr., others 1,5 to 2,0 grams. My ears and the suspension has now landed on 1,7gr. There are seriously lots of choices in this P4 stylus. Conical, elliptical, Jico, SAS, its all in the money. I opted for one that wouldn't ruin my savings if I f....d up.
Steen

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 12 Sep 2019 17:34
by noisefreq
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Thanks Dyolf!

I had an extra NPS-1071 laying around and whittled it down to fit the Grace I've been sitting on.

I gotta say, this stylus fits pretty good and sounds great for what it is.
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I can't wait to get this cartridge re-tipped.
After hearing it, really for the first time, all I gotta say is WOW.
The character of this cartridge with a line contact is gonna be fantastic.

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 12 Sep 2019 19:16
by Dyolf
Nice work noicefreq. The Jico EPS202ED can be had for an acceptable $56 incl. postage, and is my next choice for the F9.
But seriously, my cheapo $20 elliptical does a hell of a jobb, so I'm not in a hurry. Waaaayy better in all aspects than the Pioneer alternative.
Steen

Re: Stylus for Grace F9

Posted: 12 Sep 2019 21:48
by noisefreq
Hey Dyolf,
I hope you don't mind if I pass along your revelation on another forum.
I'm just so flat impressed with your discovery.
Thanks again.