Grace F-9

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by dubkarma » 26 Aug 2012 03:17

A rather belated post, but just in case anyone reads it, I got the mid-grade (300$) SoundSmith replacement stylus assembly for my Grace F9 and it totally embarrasses the Ortofon 2M Black I had been using. Now at least one of the friends who auditioned it with me—both of whom own expensive MC cartridges—are looking for an F9 body to send to Mr. Lederman at SoundSmith. And since I have a second turntable, I'm looking for another F9 as well.

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by Tommyboy65 » 04 Dec 2012 07:31

Hello,

I am bumping this thread.

I had my Grace F9 Ruby re-tipped by Soundsmith. It was the $250, mid-level re-tip. In the interim I had a Grace F9-E Extended Range 4 cartridge on my Rega P5. It has less high end extension than the F9 Ruby but very smooth highs/mids and full/tight bass.

My dealer mounted the re-tipped F9 Ruby this evening and I have to admit, I prefer the sound of the F9-E Extended Range 4. The Ruby sounds thin, a tad bit bright and has a somewhat narrowed soundstage. I wasn't expecting this.

My question is, will the re-tipped Ruby become "fatter sounding" once it's broken in? I put in about 150 hours on the Ruby prior to the re-tip. It was very netrual sounding.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Thanks!

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by Aerobat » 04 Dec 2012 16:41

I had a F9E retipped with the same mid-level cantilever and stylus, and I share your opinion. It's a bit bright and harsh, and makes me want to swap it out for something smoother after a listening for a while. I have maybe 20-30 hours on it and am hoping it settles down at some point.

Not that it sounds bad, it has great detail, dynamics and range, but I find it tiring.

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by Alec124c41 » 04 Dec 2012 22:31

F-9 is the cartridge, the letter following identified the stylus.
After retipping, you must use settings relevant to the new stylus, not the old one. If the compliance is higher, more mass in the tonearm might help.

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by awty » 08 Dec 2012 02:27

Do they replace the tail section when they retip?

There own stylus has a shorter tail and is encased in what looks to be rubber.

My new nude elliptical, is anything but harsh and is more detailed than the original. Might be better off replacing the whole stylus now they make there own instead of a retip.
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Re: Grace F-9

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by Alec124c41 » 09 Dec 2012 06:53

F9-R red grip
F9-E green grip
F9-L clear grip
F9-U greyish grip
Any additions to this list?

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by Aerobat » 09 Dec 2012 20:35

awty wrote:Do they replace the tail section when they retip?

There own stylus has a shorter tail and is encased in what looks to be rubber.

My new nude elliptical, is anything but harsh and is more detailed than the original. Might be better off replacing the whole stylus now they make there own instead of a retip.
I don't think they don't replace the tail section when they install the new cantilever, since mine looks just like your original one in the picture.

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Re: Shinagawa RS-9E

Post by redcello » 24 Nov 2019 21:15

I have a RS-9E extended range 4 stylus in new condition. How is the quality of this particular stylus? I don't as of yet have the F9 cartridge. My turntable is the Thorens TD 160.

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Re: Shinagawa RS-9E

Post by Alec124c41 » 25 Nov 2019 16:26

redcello wrote:
24 Nov 2019 21:15
I have a RS-9E extended range 4 stylus in new condition. How is the quality of this particular stylus? I don't as of yet have the F9 cartridge. My turntable is the Thorens TD 160.
Gray plastic, superb.

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by redcello » 25 Nov 2019 17:33

Alec I don't know what you mean by gray plastic? There is a F-9E as well. I looked at some pics of Grace cartridges and saw a grey one. will any grace F-9 model take the RS-9E stylus? By superb were you referring to the quality of the RS-9E stylus? Thanks!

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by Alec124c41 » 26 Nov 2019 01:42

OK, now I think you are referring to the RS-9E produced by Soundsmith.
I have the E and the R styluses.
I would expect the RS-9E to be right in there with the originals.
The F-9 cartridge is the finest MM cartridge I have heard, leaving the Shure V-15s ( III, IV, and V ) in the dust.
Even the Ortofon OM40 and Grado Signature 8 couldn't match it.

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by redcello » 26 Nov 2019 02:16

Actually I have a Shinagawa RS-9E I got it sometime in the early 80's. Original packaging as new. From what I can gather I'll need the Grace F-9E cartridge to pair it up with. I have begun my search and from what I can see so far.... it might not be so easy to find. Especially since I don't want to spend a lot on it. I may be better off selling the stylus and purchasing another decent cartridge with the funds.

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by Alec124c41 » 26 Nov 2019 05:10

You need a Grace F-9 cartridge. The added bit indicates the stylus that is installed. The bodies are all the same, and the styluses are interchangeable.
Any F-9 body you can find should not be too expensive, without a stylus.

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Re: Grace F-9

Post by redcello » 26 Nov 2019 17:13

Thank you for the clarity!

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