Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

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Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by BMRR » 03 Feb 2014 01:47

I'm not currently in the market for a new cartridge, but I've been curious about these two cartridges for a while. They seem to be aimed at the same market, their prices are nearly identical, their appearance is nearly identical, and their product descriptions are quite similar.

Aside from the output differences (M44-7 9.5mV, M44G 6.2mV) and the tracking force differences (M44-7 1.5g-3.0g, M44G 0.75g-1.5g), are there any other differences that I should be aware of? What effect does the M44-7's higher output and heavier tracking weight have on the way it sounds? (or what effect does the M44G's lower output and lighter tracking weight have on the way IT sounds?) All of the other specs seem to be the same. It would be great to hear from someone who has owned both of them and can discuss the differences in sound quality, record wear (both are touted by Shure as having "ultra low" record wear), etc.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by tubewade » 03 Feb 2014 02:13

My understanding is that they are the same cartridge, different stylus. It is worth noting that the 44G was an extraordinary hifi cartridge/stylus in the days before the V15. And it's still a pretty darn good one today. It really excels for playback of 45 singles and will play the really hot cut ones without rendering a lot of distortion.

The 44-7 can overload some preamps with its high output. It is also the one to choose if using in a heavier arm.

Maybe Kent T. will chime in. He knows the ins and outs of these cartridges much better than I do.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by BMRR » 03 Feb 2014 02:15

Thanks Wade!

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by smeg68 » 03 Feb 2014 02:16

Isn't the 7 aimed at the DJ market and the G at home users? With those specs you would assume so.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by BMRR » 03 Feb 2014 02:20

It would appear that Shure is marketing both of them to DJs. They say the M44-7 is for "turntablist" DJs and the M44G is for "club/party" DJs.

I'm not a DJ, but I've heard that these cartridges have excellent bass and "warmth" which are both things that I find appealing. My various Audio-Technica cartridges sound great but I'm not getting a whole lot of bass or "warmth" from them.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by BMRR » 03 Feb 2014 03:23

To clarify my previous post, my A-T carts certainly provide accurate/natural/pleasing bass... but I wouldn't mind possibly having a cart that offers a bit more bass than the A-T carts are giving me. They're also quite bright, which isn't a bad thing, but my speakers are pretty bright to begin with... and the brightness of the carts also tends to magnify the imperfections in my records, which are mostly 30 to 50 years old and have their fair share of noise.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by BMRR » 03 Feb 2014 04:58

Last but not least, I'd also be interested in opinions regarding how the M44G compares to the M97xE in terms of audio qualities, pros/cons, etc.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by tubewade » 04 Feb 2014 01:02

I was hoping for dlaloum or Kent T. to come along with advice. They both have lots of cartridge experience.

Either of the Shure cartridges will sound fuller in the bottom end than your AT. The M97xE is a very smooth cartridge with something of a slight roll-off in the top end depending on how it is loaded. You have to keep the capacitance below 300 pF to get decent sounding highs. It really does have very good detail for a cartridge in its price range when loaded properly.

The M44 has a punchy and lively sound that works great on older records. It does not have quite the detail of the elliptical M97 but it presents music so enjoyably that you might not miss the detail.

Both of these are very good cartridges. The M97xE is more 'HiFi" sounding and the M44 is more "enjoy the music". That is my perception anyway.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by BMRR » 04 Feb 2014 01:04

Thanks again, Wade. Great info. What might I expect in terms of sibilance and inner groove distortion? Even though I'd like more bass and warmth, I'd hate to gain those qualities at the expense of increased sibilance and IGD. Bass and warmth can be added in other ways but removing sibilance and IGD isn't easy... :|

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by tubewade » 04 Feb 2014 01:28

In my experience, what we hear as IGD is a complex phenomenon. Without going into lengthy explanations, a smaller minor radius on a stylus generally improves performance at the lower velocity inner grooves. I have had no problems with sibilance or IGD with the M97xE unless it was etched into the record by a previous owner. With the M44, I can't say for sure. Some tables and arms fare much better in the area of IGD and have no trouble even with a conical stylus. Others do seem to have more trouble in that area and those might not do as well with some records, from an IGD perspective, with a conical stylus. You probably cannot know if it will work for you without trying it.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by BMRR » 04 Feb 2014 02:08

That's fair. :)

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by BMRR » 04 Feb 2014 20:24

tubewade wrote:I was hoping for dlaloum or Kent T. to come along with advice. They both have lots of cartridge experience.
Paging Kent T and dlaloum... :lol:

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by peters8 » 04 Feb 2014 23:15

Hi guys :)
Sorry for my intrusion into this interesting topic! :wink:
I'd like to know if there're many differences between the Shure M44 and the Shure M75 ED.
I'm searching for an hight output cartrige for the arm of my BSR 710, but I'm undecided between the Shure M44 and the Shure M75 #-o :?:
Sometimes I think that Shure M91 and M55 could be an other option #-o :?:
but I need your support to choose the correct one :!: :wink:
However, any Shure cartridge could disappoint me.
Shure for ever! 8)
Thank you.
Regards

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by Guest » 05 Feb 2014 20:05

Peters8, the M75ED might not suit you, as it is not particularly high-output (5mV). The same is true of the M91 series (5mV). In the M75 series, the M75-6S (with spherical stylus) has a higher output (6.2 mV). The M55E also has a higher output (6.2 mV). The M44-G is the same (6.2mV) and the M44-7 is very high-output (9.5mV). You can find these figures in the Database on this site.

Having said that, I find that the output depends on the stylus, and I have M75ED and M91ED aftermarket styli that seem to be high-output.

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Re: Shure M44-7 vs. M44G

Post by KentT » 07 Feb 2014 05:04

The M 44-G was aimed at audiophile use and classical/easy listening broadcast use. It's a much better 45 RPM and mono LP through early stereo solution. Great frequency response, tracks excellent, reasonably priced, refined for it's job. Recommended highly by me.

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