Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

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Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by Japi Roelofs » 14 Jan 2020 23:07

Are they the same thing?

Manfred / lini brought to my attention the new line of styli by German vendor Mr. Stylus, called Black Diamond. They are aftermarket styli featuring a nude elliptical tip. They are relatively cheap, around the 40 euro mark.

He also mentioned Thakker have a new line of styli, called Nudeline. Same thing: cheap, aftermarket, nude elliptical styli.
The line-ups are almost identical: Shure, Technics, Ortofon. And a couple of oddballs like the Philips MKII, and Tenorel 2001.

Tenorel, anyone? I happen to have that cartridge. It says "Made in Holland" on the top. Yeah, right...
But since Mr. Stylus and Thakker both carry the stylus for this rather rare cart, they have to from be the same manufacturer.

I might try one soon. Does anyone else have a Nudeline or Black Diamond stylus?

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by BMRR » 15 Jan 2020 00:19

Can you post links to these styli?

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by BMRR » 15 Jan 2020 00:34

It occurs to me that "Black Diamond" is strange name for a nude stylus, considering that nude diamonds are clear and bonded diamonds usually appear dark or black. ;)

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by Japi Roelofs » 15 Jan 2020 00:35

Thakker.eu - Top Produkte zu Top Preisen
https://www.thakker.eu/?ActionCall=WebA ... D=Nudeline+

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by BMRR » 15 Jan 2020 00:41

Looks like these are made in the same Swiss factory that makes Pfanstiehl styli. They are not known for having the best quality control. But still, 40 Euro for a nude diamond is a good price.

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by Dan_Seweri » 15 Jan 2020 07:24

BMRR wrote:
15 Jan 2020 00:34
It occurs to me that "Black Diamond" is strange name for a nude stylus, considering that nude diamonds are clear and bonded diamonds usually appear dark or black. ;)
It is a nude stylus made from black diamonds which seem to be synthetic diamonds: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by Agrippa » 15 Jan 2020 09:16

BMRR wrote:
15 Jan 2020 00:34
It occurs to me that "Black Diamond" is strange name for a nude stylus, considering that nude diamonds are clear and bonded diamonds usually appear dark or black. ;)
It has little to do with bonded vs nude, but rather the quality of the diamond. As stated above synthetic diamonds generally range from mid grey to dark anthracite in colour and are at best semi-transparent, while natural diamonds are clear. Being much cheaper and in every way worse, a synthetic is much more likely to be bonded than nude. In fact I don't think I've ever seen a nude synthetic.

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by Dan_Seweri » 15 Jan 2020 10:12

Agrippa wrote:
15 Jan 2020 09:16
In fact I don't think I've ever seen a nude synthetic.
If you want to learn something new and see a nude synthetic stylus, simply order one of those Black Diamond / Nudeline styluses. The one I have at hand is the version for the Philips GP401 II and it is nude.

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by Japi Roelofs » 15 Jan 2020 11:14

Dan_Seweri wrote:
15 Jan 2020 10:12
The one I have at hand is the version for the Philips GP401 II and it is nude.
How do you like it so far? I was thinking of ordering that one.

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by Dan_Seweri » 15 Jan 2020 11:33

Japi Roelofs wrote:
15 Jan 2020 11:14
Dan_Seweri wrote:
15 Jan 2020 10:12
The one I have at hand is the version for the Philips GP401 II and it is nude.
How do you like it so far? I was thinking of ordering that one.
IMHO its sound quality is on par with the Ortofon OM 20 / Ortofon 2M Blue (but with slightly softer treble).

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by BMRR » 15 Jan 2020 15:33

This photo from the Mr. Stylus web site shows the "Black Diamond" ATN95E. The diamond looks good... but the cantilever is not angled correctly and neither are the twin magnets. :shock:
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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by patient_ot » 15 Jan 2020 16:00

BMRR wrote:
15 Jan 2020 15:33
This photo from the Mr. Stylus web site shows the "Black Diamond" ATN95E. The diamond looks good... but the cantilever is not angled correctly and neither are the twin magnets. :shock:
Not good. Hopefully the rest of their QC is better than this one but I wouldn't bank on it. Possibly okay for folks that are not picky, but I wouldn't mess with it.

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by BMRR » 15 Jan 2020 16:07

I wouldn't bank on it either. These are being made by the same people who make Pfanstiehl Swiss styli.

I recently ordered three Pfanstiehl styli (an Ortofon OM spherical, an Ortofon OM elliptical, and an AT13 elliptical), and all three of them were defective. Nude diamonds certainly would not have improved them in any way.

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Re: Thakker Nudeline and Mr. Stylus Black Diamond

Post by goatbreath » 15 Jan 2020 17:59

The most common thing they seem to avoid spending money on is the suspension..
Or that is from my experience so far..The suspension has so much to do with the tracking ability..
The stylus on the cantilever is the icing on the cake,the suspension is what is hiding under that icing..

I am looking at the tracking weights for the Shures..
Only the V15 style are remotely near the original tracking weights..
The other Shures..2.3 Max for cartridges that were originally 1.5 grams max..
The V15 Styli claim they are 20 compliance units as for the other Shures that track at 2.3 grams max...
Nice styli tips,not great suspension..My experience with Pfanstiehl so far with the suspension bit..
I know,the originals are Hens Teeth and we have limited choice..

The bonded Thakker Japan Shure M75 styli I own seem to have better suspension than any Pfanstiehl styli I have experienced..

Although some Thakker Japan I have had were awful,and Thakker were rude about it and basically said..
What did I expect..When I told them something with the same tracking ability as their Thakker Japan,Shure M75 ED and M75 B styli,they blanked me after that....

So the whole thing is like a big gamble not in my favour....This included a Thakker Japan V15 III stylus..
It couldn't clear track 2 on the Hifi news tracking test disc..
This was tracking at 1.75 grams..Plenty for their M75 ED styli to track....
The Thakker Japan Shure M44 G stylus couldn't clear track 1..
It was a disaster..
Even when I upped the weight to almost 2 Grams.It still couldn't track..

If they could get the suspension right..
This would be really positive..
If not..
Well I hate to be the negative guy,but I will be very wary..

My experience is mainly with Shures here..
I realise different manufacturers have /had different suspension..

People claim they track stuff at light weights etc..
I track on the heavy side but within the specified tracking force generally..
better a bit heavy than too light..
Or I use a test disc and put the weight at the max tracking of the original cartridge,then usually go up in quarter grams,then fine dial it in downwards..

I don't mind running a 3x7 at 1.75 grams,but at 2.3 grams or above..I'm not so sure..
It seems after market ellipticals are generally 3x7..
Some people are OK with tracking a 3x7 heavier I am not..
I would purposely use a spherical..

That's just me though..

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