AT VS240LC

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AT VS240LC

Post by ba1473 » 14 Dec 2019 18:05

I have been given a Audio-Technica VS240LC, is worth buying a new Stylus for it, they are $200 on lpgear -it would be installed on a Thorens td 147 or td 160

thanks very much, any input is appreciated

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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by dagfinn » 15 Dec 2019 01:03

$200 for the bonded ATN-12S, is steep. Original Audio-Technica ATS-14 nude shibata (LC) can be found around €140-160, and is a step up being nude. I like all my ATs with shibata/LC, so I'd do it :).

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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by Sunwire » 15 Dec 2019 04:18

IF you can find an original ATS-14 stylus for the prices dagfinn mentioned, I would say it's probably worth it.
The specs for this cartridge are very, very good.
See the manual in the library here. The separation spec listed on the library page (21db) is not accurate, look at the scanned copy of the manual you can download and you'll see it listed at 31db at 1kHz, which indicates it's at the top level of AT cartridge performance.
https://www.vinylengine.com/library/aud ... s240.shtml
I would NOT pay that much for a bonded stylus for it. But if you can find any of the other original AT needles that fit the body for lower prices, they should all sound good.

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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by themisto462 » 15 Dec 2019 08:51

dagfinn wrote:
15 Dec 2019 01:03
Original Audio-Technica ATS-14 nude shibata (LC) can be found around €140-160, and is a step up being nude.
Sunwire wrote:
15 Dec 2019 04:18
IF you can find an original ATS-14 stylus for the prices dagfinn mentioned, I would say it's probably worth it.
If the ATS14 would fit, it would be a good alternative - but it doesn't fit.
ba1473 wrote:
14 Dec 2019 18:05
have been given a Audio-Technica VS240LC, is worth buying a new Stylus for it, they are $200 on lpgear -it would be installed on a Thorens td 147 or td 160
In my opinion, a genuine ATN12XE would be a decent replacement. There are still a few available for much less than $200 (I've had seen them for ~$90).

Regards.

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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by Erin1 » 15 Dec 2019 12:30

If I were you I wouldn't bother.
Just buy a VM540ML which is current production.

If you need a high compliance cartridge I guess that's another story.

But trying to get stylus for old cartridges is a pain, and expensive.

And, most importantly, don't forget - the old Stylus was probably less than $100 when new. Current pricing isn't reflective of the price the seller paid.
It's simply overcharging for old stock.
Because they've got you by the ......
And if you want the stylus you have to pay their price.

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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by dagfinn » 15 Dec 2019 13:10

themisto462 wrote:
15 Dec 2019 08:51
If the ATS14 would fit, it would be a good alternative - but it doesn't fit.

In my opinion, a genuine ATN12XE would be a decent replacement. There are still a few available for much less than $200 (I've had seen them for ~$90).

Regards.
Sorry, it is a little tricky with these old carts. I have a VM35, which has less plastic on the body ](*,) . Thanks for correcting me.

Erin1 has a point, for that money AT-VM95ML or ATVM95SH is great value, and of course 540ML for a little more.

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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by 2002afan » 15 Dec 2019 14:17

dagfinn wrote:
15 Dec 2019 13:10
themisto462 wrote:
15 Dec 2019 08:51
If the ATS14 would fit, it would be a good alternative - but it doesn't fit.

In my opinion, a genuine ATN12XE would be a decent replacement. There are still a few available for much less than $200 (I've had seen them for ~$90).

Regards.
Sorry, it is a little tricky with these old carts. I have a VM35, which has less plastic on the body ](*,) . Thanks for correcting me.

Erin1 has a point, for that money AT-VM95ML or ATVM95SH is great value, and of course 540ML for a little more.
From my recent experiences with AT/Signet transplants (14S,15S), I second the Shibata. :D Most bang for your buck.
Hence the Audio Technica AT-VM750SH price difference over the 540ML. If you can get a NOS variant of the early Shibata they can be transplanted easily. Your ears will be rewarded. =P~
Cheers,
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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by 2002afan » 16 Dec 2019 12:34

Erin1 wrote:
15 Dec 2019 12:30
If I were you I wouldn't bother.
Just buy a VM540ML which is current production.

If you need a high compliance cartridge I guess that's another story.

But trying to get stylus for old cartridges is a pain, and expensive.

And, most importantly, don't forget - the old Stylus was probably less than $100 when new. Current pricing isn't reflective of the price the seller paid.
It's simply overcharging for old stock.
Because they've got you by the ......
And if you want the stylus you have to pay their price.
Erin, I tried my VMN40ML stylus with a Signet TK7Ea generator. I finally "heard" the light. [-o<
My VM540 for some reason just quite never did it for me. I had tried it on different turntables, head shells, other Signet generators, etc. It maybe was a speaker thing. #-o
I have been using this generator with the Shibata transplants also. Must be the gold body. :P The Shibata has frequency response in spades over the micro-line. Both articulate the music with perfect clarity and broad soundstage. Shibata produces more sounds from the pressings with ever a slight hint of "AT brightness". Micro-line, no brightness. Sound on verge of being slightly clinical compared to typical AT carts. Not a bad thing. Both track excellent. I can live with both. The old Shibatas will be reserved for my better customers. :) They (and Beryllium) are getting scarce indeed. :cry: Keep them spinning.
Cheers,
WillO

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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by Erin1 » 17 Dec 2019 11:13

Isn't it interesting how true the saying "one man's meat is another man's poison"

I often think about the difference in sound between different cartridges that have a flat frequency response.

What makes one more enjoyable than another? given that measurable differences are so subtle that it's very difficult to pinpoint one parameter and say "this" is the reason for the difference.

Perhaps it is system matching. Or personal preference? Or something elusive, and indescribable?

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Re: AT VS240LC

Post by Erin1 » 17 Dec 2019 12:41

Also fascinating to me is, the matter of deep appreciation for a cartridge. If someone appreciates a cartridge greatly and expresses their fondness enthusiastically, does it make it any better than another cartridge?

From my reading on this forum, Ive found that even the most inexpensive cartridge can elicit great reviews and expressions of emotional involvement, and happiness derived from the usage of whatever cartridge. Is it the device itself, or an individual's enjoyment the most important thing? I think that personal enjoyment is the most important thing.

So, a hypothetical question is-. If the stylus on your favourite cartridge becomes unobtainable, do you forever pine the absence of said cartridge, or move on to something that you can have?

In my case, I moved on, only to find greater enjoyment in something else, which I wouldn't have discovered without moving on.

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