Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

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Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by luisrocha » 19 Nov 2019 15:46

I wonder if any of you fellows can enlighten me about this. I have a Pro-ject Genie Mk I which, with everything properly aligned, sounds surprisingly good. With Eric Clapton's "Unplugged" album, for instance, the string chords sound amazing. Now, reading a lot of advices on foruns, everybody says it is possible to upgrade Ortofon cartridges by simply changing the stylus. I had tried this before with OM5 stylus, but the change resulted in a dull sound, compared with the OM3e. Also, slight loss of volume.
Now i tried it with a new OM10 stylus, still thinking it would be an upgrade. But, boringly, the sound, although listenable, is nowhere near the clarity provided by the OM3e. Many people have said they changed only the stylus, not the whole Ortofon cartridge, with good results, always hearing an improvement. Why doesn't that happen with my turntable??

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by Pauw » 19 Nov 2019 16:37

The OM 3 , 5 and 10 are all bonded ellipticals , the only real difference is in the complience which is slightly higher for the 10 and the difference between them is not that great. However if you go further up the 20 is a nude elliptical, the 30 is a Nude Fine Line and the 40 Nude VDH..Most people say the difference is usually most noticeable at the 10 to 20 jump. There are two bodies the OM and The Super OM...the super can enhance the 20, 30 and 40 ...it is even sold with the 10.( there was once a 40 super gold too). The styli are fully interchangeable with the bodies ... :D

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by luisrocha » 19 Nov 2019 17:34

Thanks Pauw I am aware that the om20 is a much better stylus. But before going that route, I ordered the Om10 just to try it first... I expected the sound to improve a little. Or not. But not to be worse in clarity than the OM3e... Actually, the lower stylus, at the bottom end of the range, sounds better that OM5 and OM10... Which confuses me...

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by Pauw » 19 Nov 2019 17:42

It might be that the slightly lower compliance of the 3 or 5 suits your arm better.

The lower OMs are interesting....I run an OM 10 in a Linn Akito and it sounds great. Many would say this arm deserves a better cartridge/stylus but the OM 10 sounds great and performs well....My thinking is it is a good match for the arm and can perform at its best in this situation. :D

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by luisrocha » 19 Nov 2019 17:50

Tha's the curious thing... Compliance is the same in Om3 and OM5... Yet Om5 sounds as dull as OM10... While OM3 provides bigger soundstage and better clarity

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by donovan » 19 Nov 2019 19:27

Ortofon Super OM10 on the right table/arm is an outstanding cartridge. I did NOT like it on upper medium/heavy arms.

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by luisrocha » 19 Nov 2019 19:35

Yes Donovan, but the arm in Pro-ject Genie Mark I is of low mass... Ortofon Om3e cartridge with a OM10 stylus should work as an upgrade... Or at the very least I shouldn't lose clarity in sound... But unfortunately that's what happened either with an OM5 or a OM10 stylus... I'm surprised because the original stylus, OM3e, sounds better that any of the other two...

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by Umberto_V » 19 Nov 2019 21:22

My brother recently bought a project TT with an Ortofon om cartridge. He had to change the stylus as the old one was broken and bought a replacement. It didn't sound too good then he realised it wasn't inserted fully into the cartridge. He gave it a push and it settled into the cartridge body. The sound, according to him, was better.

Try giving the stylus a little push to make sure it properly inserted.

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by luisrocha » 19 Nov 2019 21:27

Thanks Umberto... i tried that already!

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by luisrocha » 19 Nov 2019 21:42

The difference in clarity is astonishing. It is as OM5 or OM10 take the enjoyment out of the sound. After numerous experiments, stylus in, stylus out, change, change again, etc.: either I am the lucky owner of an extraordinary OM3e stylus, or someone in the production line made a mistake and labeled an Ortofon OM 20 or 30 as an OM3e... :-) Or, third hipotesis: don't change only the stylus, change the whole cartridge. Talk of an easy upgrade path just changing the stylus on the Ortofon OMs... My ears don't fool me.

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by lini » 20 Nov 2019 04:47

Pauw: Careful, there's a spherical 5 (later 5S or 1S) and an elliptical 5E.

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by hugo casassanta » 20 Nov 2019 22:47

Lower-profile styli may provide more "slam", higher output and clarity in the sound than the finer-profiled ones. However, they are not as detailed. IMHO, it's just a matter of one getting used to the sound of the stylus. This happened to me when I moved from a Shure M44C to a V15 type IV decades ago. It sounded so dull at first I was disappointed, and really wondered what all the hype about the v15 was. It took me some time to digest the difference, but I never looked back.

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by luisrocha » 20 Nov 2019 23:22

That could certainly be an explanation, Hugo... But there's actually more detail in OM3e as compared to the others...

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by b+v8an » 21 Nov 2019 05:47

It's better to be lucky than good. I had a similar experience when I picked up a 3e stylus for $5 as a spare.It actually looked better (the cantilever looked a little slimmer, and the mounting of the diamond looked cleaner) and sounded better than a new Om10 . Perhaps just a QC issue or the older ones were made a little better. Wish I still had it to show some pics. I've had real good luck with Om 10's and 5e's,but if I run across another nos 3e I would buy it. You are not alone. I've seen Om3e carts going real cheap on the bay.

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Re: Ortofon Om3e better than Om10??

Post by Erin1 » 21 Nov 2019 09:38

How many hours of play on the new stylus?

Perhaps it's an issue with not being "run in" yet?

The suspension needs to loosen up a bit before it will sound it's best.

Otherwise I don't know.

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